People will be opposed, but FAMU has no leverage to stop it. If control is not given to FSU then they will walk. Where does that leave FAMU? Running a school that has no capacity for success. FSU will have their own Engineering School one way or the other.
This is not about Hate! This is about administrative control. FAMU has none, and the relationship with FSU is a detriment for it's across town neighbor. There is no stopping it. FSU is walking!
ITS FUNNY HOW fsu FOLKS STAY IN OUR BUSINESS. WALK ON AND KEEP WALKING...DON'T LOOK BACK EITHER. FAMU HAS BEEN IN EXISTENCE SINCE THE 1800'S, WE MUST'VE BEEN DOING SOMETHING RIGHT. WHO REALLY CARES IF FSU GETS ITS OWN ENGINEERING SCHOOL. TO ALL THE DOUBTERS, FAMU WILL CONTINUE TO EXIST NO MATTER WHAT THE NEWSPAPER MAY SAY. THE BAD APPLES WILL DISAPPEAR. FAMU WILL STILL HAVE CONTROL OF THE ENGINEERING SCHOOL. I'M SURE FSU HAS SOME HIDDEN SKELETONS IN ITS CLOSET THAT WILL EVENTUALLY COME OUT TOO.
to the 12:22pm blogger i don't care how much walking FSU does away from the joint e*school issue you will never succeed in FSU's (and Wetherall's) ultimate goal and that is to compete with UF (academically and athletically) and join the AAU (Association of American Universities). you will never accomplish either. FSU will always be considered the little "sister" to UF. FSU denegrating of FAMU and threats of closure/merger etc....will not elevate you any closer to UF.
as for the e*school issue: let FSU walk...who cares. as an alum of UF and FAMU i have a unique perspective of seeing both of my alma maters as gems. FAMUans: stop comparing and looking for validation from FSU. Divorce ourselves of that thought. We have and have had many workable models in running successful schools and a university. Unfortunately, we have an incompetent administration at FAMU right now and a spineless board that rubber stamps what they do. Ammons comes in with experience of working with teams that knows how to make FAMU successful again. These dark clouds too shall pass. And the theives, from north of the tracks, once again will come to steal and pillage the successful programs from FAMU...history teaches us this. {law; attempt with nursing; they want Pharmacy}
FAMUans lets lobby to get more professional people on our board who 1) have a love for famu and 2) who possess professional experience in various disciplines that could drive the type of successful programs at FAMU.
Have faith, keep a watchful ear and eye during this climate of hate, and be ever so vigilant on our elected officials who would ultimately make these decisions.
According to the Tallahassee Democrat, the transfer of the COE is "a done deal." The article is online at http://www.tallahassee.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070329/CAPITOLNEWS/70329030.
FAMU needs to focus on getting the rest of its house in order or it is going to face far graver consequences than this.
Castell and Jeb Bush has done what they have been trying to do for a long time and that bring FAMU down!! Jeb has said for a long time how bad he hates to fly over Tallahassee and see two stadiums so he got someone in here to bring our beloved university to its knees. And I hope you realize that all the negative comments are coming from people at FSU that does not have a clue as to what is going on here. Funds are being mismanaged at FSU probably more than at FAMU because they have more money to play with. They do not have to fight for every dime they get like we do. What is going on here is they want us to be like the people of New Orleans when Katrina went through the 9th ward, and the people were left with nothing.
As an UF and FSU alum, I can see that UF is nervous about FSU catching up to. Once FSU gets its own COE, THEY WILL catch up to UF, that's reality. To the UF alum who posted, your insecurity is really sad and pathetic. We are all sorry that you hate FSU so much, must be painfull to live in Florida with a bunch of FSU grads.
3:19PM - Are you referring to the same FAMU Pharmacy School that is on probationary accreditation? Your alma mater can't even take care of one of its best programs, how is it going to take care of a program it doesn't care about?
4:19PM - FAM "lost" $40M which is about 10% of their budget. I'll guarantee you FSU didn't lose 10% of their budget. I'll even guarantee you FSU didn't lose $40M (since $40M is less than 10% of FSU's budget).
I felt this thread needed some facts, and not a bunch of lies made out of anger towards FSU, when in reality they're at an administration that can't run FAM properly.
to the ^^^^ 7:14pm post i'm not insecure about anything. as i mentioned i see the value of UF and FAMU, not at the dislike of FSU. the point i was stating, and obviously you missed it, was there has always been a competitive nature between UF and FSU and that FAMU's is being denegrated mostly by FSU supporters during these dark times there. as an alum of BOTH, of course i want to see UF and FAMU succeed, but i don't have to denegrate FSU to do it. to my fellow FAMUans i was stating don't waste our time comparing ourselves to anyone. lets secure effective strong leadership to guide this ship back on course that has obviously been rudderless since Humphries departed.
BTW, its not painful at all living in Tallahassee with graduates of other colleges. I'm SECURE enough in myself and cherish the rich experience i received from UF and FAMU. Not "sad and pathetic," but glad and energetic. I love it here; work, live, and have raised a family here. So, this rattling gator will always defend his alma maters from denegrating insecure noles like you.
(i have to retract my earlier statement and go there...) so, go on back to that small ass campus(FSU) and continue kissin bobby's old ass. maybe if you stop paying him so much money to walk his fat ass along the sidelines with his cowboy hat...maybe you could buy a clue. even with your best effort you will always come up short. hell, you could not even make it to the NCAA tourney---oh, but FAMU AND UF did!! ha ha...therefore, my point, you can't compete i don't care if you had 10 COEs.
whew, sorry i had to go there with this 7:14pm idiot, but sometimes you have to pull the gloves off.
I have never seen such a bunch of losers in one place in all my life.
To the UF and FAMU gradute, you are comical, sad, and pathetic all rolled into one bitter little man. First, FSU has accomplished so much more with so much less, that UF should be flat out ashamed of what they have accomplished over all of these years considering all of the resources this state government has given them. FSU with so much less has outshined UF time and time again. To see that you bring up the NCAA tournament in an academic forum, and insult Bobby Bowden shows me that your probably 15 to 17 years old, and never went to either UF or FAMU, or if you really did, then damn you might just be the most immature person walking the streets in Tally.
FAMU sir is a train wreck, plain and simple. You can defend your school all you want, but bottom line it's a joke, much like yourself.
Piece of advice, next time you want to be taken seriously on an academic message board, stick to academic argurments, because when you start insulting the campus, the football coach, etc, you lose any and all credibility you might have started off with.
If UF should be ashamed of itself because of the accomplishments of FSU with less resources than UF then how does FSU feel about FAM? We've never had the resources or opportunities that FSU has seen and yet many of our programs are still better than yours. Our programs are known on a national and international level and what exactly is FSU known for? Football? Not even that. But since you want to focus so much on academics lets take it there. If FAMU is so inferior to FSU why is it that FSU tries so hard to acquire so many of our programs? If we're really so inferior why do you even come to this website? If we were inferior you wouldn't care one way or the other, but the fact that you even come here to find out about us lets me know that you do. So you can state the facts all you want or call me an FSU "hater", whatever makes you feel better at night, but the TRUE fact of the matter is FSU is embarrassed that FAMU is really so much better than they are.
9:38--While FAMU has an abundance of serious fiscal and administrative affairs that must be addressed in order for the institution to move forward, I take exception to your reference to the school as a "joke." Every insitution of higher learning has its share of governance problems as well as management issues and financial problems. Certainly FAMU's problems have been set aflame in the print as well as on television. Many ofther insitutions have these same issues but don't make the headlines as FAMU has. Regardless, however, I dare say that the school is a "joke." When the university was making wonderful headlines and engaged in academic accolades that people across the state of Florida as well as the nation were proud of, the school was in top academic form. But now, because it has failed to maintain those previously heralded headlines, you insult the institution's stakeholders by calling it a "joke." You, dear, are what I would call a "joke" from the highest order. If, as you have referenced in your own commentary, that this blogspot is an "academic forum," you are sorely in need of aa basic lesson in what constitutes "academic" and "forum." No, my dear, this site is not an "academic forum." It's a public space for people to offer commentary about whatever they wish to offer commentary on. While you have obviously confused the term "academic forum" with public commentary, you might want to step up your own intellect in terms of what defines "academic" and/or what defines "intellect," because it is clear that you are neither. (That's academic and/or intellectual, in case you fail to grasp the difference between the two.)
It's true that UF is seen as the flagship institution of FL; however, it is also true that FSU is NOT the number 2 closing in on UF.
Although UCF and USF came into being long after FSU left it's mission of a finishing school for young white females; they both have individually distanced themselves as up and coming research institutions with strong academic programs.
UCF and USF each have colleges of engineering.
USF has a medical school, five campuses in three major metropolitan cities; the Moffitt Cancer Center recognized by NIH; and access to a trauma two teaching hospital and a pediatric hospital.
UCF located in Orlando with a recently established College of Medicine will more than likely focus on biomedical sciences and robotic like appendages.
Both of these universities have student populations that have surpassed FSU; strong fundraising machines; and regional and national academic programs.
FSU understands that it has lost precious grounds in these areas, while building a wrap-a-round stadium with a national recognized football program. Unlike FSU, every other football powerhouse (i.e., Mich, Ohio, Notre Dame, Florida, UCLA, Stanford) are known nationally for their contributions in the research and academia.
So posters we should not be surprised that FSU is in a mad race to play catchup.
Rattler Family, now that we have a proven leader, we should roll-up our sleeves and prepare to dig our way out of this valley. All great people and institutions have their valleys. This is our valley. We must prepare to rise to the occasion and return to the mountain top and this is what is feared, by a few small minded people. They know that nothing can stop us from reaching our true potential. We have been tried and tested before; and we always rise to the occasion.
I do not know why we are even entertaining FSU criminoles giving them a response back on our blog when it has no merit. All they want to do is go down on our school and they are no better.
Come on. FSU is a joke as a research university. Look at the new US News Graduate School rankings. Other than the law school it STOLE from FAMU, and the Bush-apologist education college that is riding the coattails of Reading First, it hasw no national graduate programs of note. It claims to be strong in the sciences, but the reality is that FSU has no programs that rank highly. Its medical school is a joke. So is its business school. And it cannot claim to know anything about running an engineering school, as it brings in few grants and even its faculty are not very good. There is no way FSU is going to become an AAU member. The state is better off investing its resources in USF and UCF.
I am thoroughly convinced now that the master plan for FAMU is to turn it back into just a producer of undergraduate degreed African-Americans to boost the state of FL's racial numbers. After seeing Jennifer Jefferson, Tallahassee Democrat reporter, at the Honor's Convocation yesterday where Dr. Frederick S. Humphries spoke and defended his administration and absolutely nothing is in today's Tallahassee Democrat screams conspiracy in a big way. Humphries said boldly that the problems FAMU is now experiencing did not happen on his watch and even exposed that Fred Gainous could not close the books until Humphries staffers wrote a letter to tell him where the $3 million was that he needed to close the books. Now Cast-Hell just gives away the College of Engineering to TK Wetherell, who was the last state legislator to propose merger between FAMU and FSU, we MUST NOT LET THIS HAPPEN. James Corbin, Cast-Hell Bryant, Challis IS LOWE, and all of their cronies should be kicked in their royal asses for allowing FAMU to fall to this state of affairs. This is absolutely the worst six years in FAMU's glorious history and we have Mr. Corbin to thank for it. He's virtually handing FAMU over to its enemies. I'm mad as hell! This board is the PITS! Daryl Parks, Maurice Holder and Dr. Ammons will need our help to stand and fight any and everyone who wants to turn the clock back on FAMU. IT AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN!!!!!!!
To the person that said, "the reality is that FSU has no programs that rank highly," you couldn't be more wrong. FSU and UF are the only 2 publics in the state that rank nationally in more than just a handful of programs.
Graduate School Rankings (US News & World Report, among publics)
Gen Chem - 28 Analytical Chem - 13 Clinical Psychology - 32 Gen Physics - 26 Nuclear Physics - 8 Business Undergrad Program - 25 Real Estate - 13 Insurance/Risk Management - 7 Communications Disorders - Speech-Language Pathology - 32 Criminology - 11 Higher Ed - 13 Higher Ed Administration - 10 Rehabilitation Counseling - 16 Information Systems - 8 School Library Media - 4 Services for Children in Youth - 1 Information - 10 Law - 25 Environmental Law - 14 Motion Picture, Television and Recording Arts - 3 Music - 5 Opera - 3 Demography - Population Studies - 14 Poli Sci - 9 City Management and Urban Policy - 19 Public Finance and Budgeting - 17 Sex and Gender - 8 amongs grad programs, 10 among PhD Sociology of Population - 14 Social Work - 25 Fine Arts - 28 Theatre - top 10
Non-US News Rankings
Human Sciences - top 10 Oceanography - 10 Philosophy of Action - 1 Normative Ethics and Moral Psychology - 13 Philosophy of Biology - 17 Metaethics - 17 Undergrad Accounting - 24 Hospitality - top 5 Urban Planning - 8 Art Education - 3 Dance - top 2
To the FAMU/UF alum, how is FAMU "so much better" than FSU? I'd like to see a serious response, because I'm asking a sincere question. I hope you don't let your disdain for FSU ruin your answer, if you choose to repond.
To all on this blog, wouldn't it be best if the CoE split? FAMU would have its own CoE and FSU would have its own CoE. Is there any opposition to this on the FAMU front? If you dislike sharing your CoE with FSU so much, and claim that your university is better, why not go to the Board of Governors and the legislature and get the CoE split in two?
The BOG had no business linking FAMU with the criminoles in the first place. Stop taking up space on our blog with you bullsh-t. Go play with Bobby or TK find you something to do. CRIMINOLES!!!!!
I still don't understand why the majority of FAMU supporters are on here insulting FSU, when its FAMU's own fault for the situation it's in financially. It is nobody else's fault. Quit pointing the finger and claiming that everyone (or maybe just FSU) is out to get you. If you could take care of your own house, the state wouldn't be giving FSU your money. It's funny to call FSU the criminoles, when your own administration is full of real-life criminals.
Don't make start talking about the special arrangement between TPD and LCSO for your damn athletes. Ya'll know those FSU arrests don't even make to the newspapers or TV.
What about your damn QB that likes to choke and beat his girlfriend. You know that one that wanted to go pro and was close to a certain county commissioner.
STFU or keep talking and I'll be singing like a canary in the fall. A garnet and gold one at that.
To all the FSU posters. Why do you have to justify and up and coming research power, already established arts and sciences giant to a lowly broke university with a backwards mission? TCC has a better academic reputation than FAM; they can raise more money as well! What does FAMU have? Oh yea, the Marching "minus a few" 100.
To 3/30/2007 12:34 PM: I would like to ask a question that could just as easily be directed to all on this message board: are you currently a CoE student or alumnus? As a CoE alumnus, I personally do not agree with the opinion that it should be split... and I have seen very little in the words of others from FAM that would lead me to believe they dislike sharing the E-school with FSU. (Even if they did, would it really be relevant if they could not speak from personal experience?)
I think the thing we are all forgetting amidst the financial issues is that the E-school provides a unique learning center - it allows collaborative learning from two universities that would probably otherwise not have anything to do with the other. Given it's been said that the shift is only for one year, I'm hoping that FAM can get it together before it's really too late... The CoE is one of a kind - it's rare that you see this kind of joint effort between schools which definitely makes it stand out. I enjoyed my experience as an engineering student; and, I sincerely believe it would be a great disservice to future FAMU and FSU engineering students to be left without the FAMU-FSU College of Engineering.
Before anyone says anything, I know this issue has been brought on because of finances... apparently it's always about money. As I stated before, I'm hoping that with a new administration, FAMU can pull through this and maintain its stake in the E-school.
People will be opposed, but FAMU has no leverage to stop it. If control is not given to FSU then they will walk. Where does that leave FAMU? Running a school that has no capacity for success. FSU will have their own Engineering School one way or the other.
ReplyDeleteHow did this become a line item already? Someone on the hill in Lee Hall had to know about this.
ReplyDeleteLet's wait for the lame excuses and defenses that surely are to follow from our illustrious Chair Lowe, and the rest of the incompetents.
Why does Castell HATE FAMU so much. As an alumna of FAMU, I truly love FAMU. I can't understand why a graduate of FAMU is out to destroy it...
ReplyDeleteThis is not about Hate! This is about administrative control. FAMU has none, and the relationship with FSU is a detriment for it's across town neighbor. There is no stopping it. FSU is walking!
ReplyDeleteBY!
ReplyDeleteYou meant bye, yes and that is where your program is going, bye bye.
ReplyDeleteIt is a done deal. The School's administrative control is going to FSU.
ReplyDeleteLook out for UCF, they are an upstart institution with ambitious goals of being a leader in central Florida.
FAMU must trim down to be treated.
ITS FUNNY HOW fsu FOLKS STAY IN OUR BUSINESS. WALK ON AND KEEP WALKING...DON'T LOOK BACK EITHER. FAMU HAS BEEN IN EXISTENCE SINCE THE 1800'S, WE MUST'VE BEEN DOING SOMETHING RIGHT. WHO REALLY CARES IF FSU GETS ITS OWN ENGINEERING SCHOOL. TO ALL THE DOUBTERS, FAMU WILL CONTINUE TO EXIST NO MATTER WHAT THE NEWSPAPER MAY SAY. THE BAD APPLES WILL DISAPPEAR. FAMU WILL STILL HAVE CONTROL OF THE ENGINEERING SCHOOL. I'M SURE FSU HAS SOME HIDDEN SKELETONS IN ITS CLOSET THAT WILL EVENTUALLY COME OUT TOO.
ReplyDeleteto the 12:22pm blogger i don't care how much walking FSU does away from the joint e*school issue you will never succeed in FSU's (and Wetherall's) ultimate goal and that is to compete with UF (academically and athletically) and join the AAU (Association of American Universities). you will never accomplish either. FSU will always be considered the little "sister" to UF. FSU denegrating of FAMU and threats of closure/merger etc....will not elevate you any closer to UF.
ReplyDeleteas for the e*school issue: let FSU walk...who cares. as an alum of UF and FAMU i have a unique perspective of seeing both of my alma maters as gems. FAMUans: stop comparing and looking for validation from FSU. Divorce ourselves of that thought. We have and have had many workable models in running successful schools and a university. Unfortunately, we have an incompetent administration at FAMU right now and a spineless board that rubber stamps what they do. Ammons comes in with experience of working with teams that knows how to make FAMU successful again. These dark clouds too shall pass. And the theives, from north of the tracks, once again will come to steal and pillage the successful programs from FAMU...history teaches us this. {law; attempt with nursing; they want Pharmacy}
FAMUans lets lobby to get more professional people on our board who 1) have a love for famu and 2) who possess professional experience in various disciplines that could drive the type of successful programs at FAMU.
Have faith, keep a watchful ear and eye during this climate of hate, and be ever so vigilant on our elected officials who would ultimately make these decisions.
GO RATTLERS! c/o 99' MS
GO GATORS! c/o 91' BS
"It is funny how folks stay in our business"....HELLO FAMU is a public institution and not some exclusive club.
ReplyDeleteE School is going to FSU. It is a done deal! Read the Democrat.
^^^^^3/29/2007 3:19 PM
ReplyDeleteAMEN AMEN AMEN. All summed up in a nutshell. Excellent point.
According to the Tallahassee Democrat, the transfer of the COE is "a done deal." The article is online at http://www.tallahassee.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070329/CAPITOLNEWS/70329030.
ReplyDeleteFAMU needs to focus on getting the rest of its house in order or it is going to face far graver consequences than this.
Castell and Jeb Bush has done what they have been trying to do for a long time and that bring FAMU down!! Jeb has said for a long time how bad he hates to fly over Tallahassee and see two stadiums so he got someone in here to bring our beloved university to its knees. And I hope you realize that all the negative comments are coming from people at FSU that does not have a clue as to what is going on here. Funds are being mismanaged at FSU probably more than at FAMU because they have more money to play with. They do not have to fight for every dime they get like we do. What is going on here is they want us to be like the people of New Orleans when Katrina went through the 9th ward, and the people were left with nothing.
ReplyDeleteyou are comparing famu's lack of accounting to hurrican katrina and the 9th ward?
ReplyDeletewe all hate you casthell!
ReplyDeleteAs an UF and FSU alum, I can see that UF is nervous about FSU catching up to. Once FSU gets its own COE, THEY WILL catch up to UF, that's reality. To the UF alum who posted, your insecurity is really sad and pathetic. We are all sorry that you hate FSU so much, must be painfull to live in Florida with a bunch of FSU grads.
ReplyDeleteThis board is pathetic and insecure. Why does everyone have to justify one school over another? This is about FAMU and taxpayer money.
ReplyDeleteUCF will get the Law School next. Why? Because FAMU is incapable of managing.
ReplyDelete3:19PM - Are you referring to the same FAMU Pharmacy School that is on probationary accreditation? Your alma mater can't even take care of one of its best programs, how is it going to take care of a program it doesn't care about?
ReplyDelete4:19PM - FAM "lost" $40M which is about 10% of their budget. I'll guarantee you FSU didn't lose 10% of their budget. I'll even guarantee you FSU didn't lose $40M (since $40M is less than 10% of FSU's budget).
I felt this thread needed some facts, and not a bunch of lies made out of anger towards FSU, when in reality they're at an administration that can't run FAM properly.
3/29/2007 7:29 PM - There is one on the way. Just wait, in due time you will see.
ReplyDeleteto the ^^^^ 7:14pm post i'm not insecure about anything. as i mentioned i see the value of UF and FAMU, not at the dislike of FSU. the point i was stating, and obviously you missed it, was there has always been a competitive nature between UF and FSU and that FAMU's is being denegrated mostly by FSU supporters during these dark times there. as an alum of BOTH, of course i want to see UF and FAMU succeed, but i don't have to denegrate FSU to do it. to my fellow FAMUans i was stating don't waste our time comparing ourselves to anyone. lets secure effective strong leadership to guide this ship back on course that has obviously been rudderless since Humphries departed.
ReplyDeleteBTW, its not painful at all living in Tallahassee with graduates of other colleges. I'm SECURE enough in myself and cherish the rich experience i received from UF and FAMU. Not "sad and pathetic," but glad and energetic. I love it here; work, live, and have raised a family here. So, this rattling gator will always defend his alma maters from denegrating insecure noles like you.
(i have to retract my earlier statement and go there...)
so, go on back to that small ass campus(FSU) and continue kissin bobby's old ass. maybe if you stop paying him so much money to walk his fat ass along the sidelines with his cowboy hat...maybe you could buy a clue. even with your best effort you will always come up short. hell, you could not even make it to the NCAA tourney---oh, but FAMU AND UF did!! ha ha...therefore, my point, you can't compete i don't care if you had 10 COEs.
whew, sorry i had to go there with this 7:14pm idiot, but sometimes you have to pull the gloves off.
GO RATTLERS! & GO GATORS!
4:57--Amen, Amen!
ReplyDeleteI have never seen such a bunch of losers in one place in all my life.
ReplyDeleteTo the UF and FAMU gradute, you are comical, sad, and pathetic all rolled into one bitter little man. First, FSU has accomplished so much more with so much less, that UF should be flat out ashamed of what they have accomplished over all of these years considering all of the resources this state government has given them. FSU with so much less has outshined UF time and time again. To see that you bring up the NCAA tournament in an academic forum, and insult Bobby Bowden shows me that your probably 15 to 17 years old, and never went to either UF or FAMU, or if you really did, then damn you might just be the most immature person walking the streets in Tally.
FAMU sir is a train wreck, plain and simple. You can defend your school all you want, but bottom line it's a joke, much like yourself.
Piece of advice, next time you want to be taken seriously on an academic message board, stick to academic argurments, because when you start insulting the campus, the football coach, etc, you lose any and all credibility you might have started off with.
If UF should be ashamed of itself because of the accomplishments of FSU with less resources than UF then how does FSU feel about FAM? We've never had the resources or opportunities that FSU has seen and yet many of our programs are still better than yours. Our programs are known on a national and international level and what exactly is FSU known for? Football? Not even that. But since you want to focus so much on academics lets take it there. If FAMU is so inferior to FSU why is it that FSU tries so hard to acquire so many of our programs? If we're really so inferior why do you even come to this website? If we were inferior you wouldn't care one way or the other, but the fact that you even come here to find out about us lets me know that you do. So you can state the facts all you want or call me an FSU "hater", whatever makes you feel better at night, but the TRUE fact of the matter is FSU is embarrassed that FAMU is really so much better than they are.
ReplyDelete9:38--While FAMU has an abundance of serious fiscal and administrative affairs that must be addressed in order for the institution to move forward, I take exception to your reference to the school as a "joke." Every insitution of higher learning has its share of governance problems as well as management issues and financial problems. Certainly FAMU's problems have been set aflame in the print as well as on television. Many ofther insitutions have these same issues but don't make the headlines as FAMU has. Regardless, however, I dare say that the school is a "joke." When the university was making wonderful headlines and engaged in academic accolades that people across the state of Florida as well as the nation were proud of, the school was in top academic form. But now, because it has failed to maintain those previously heralded headlines, you insult the institution's stakeholders by calling it a "joke." You, dear, are what I would call a "joke" from the highest order. If, as you have referenced in your own commentary, that this blogspot is an "academic forum," you are sorely in need of aa basic lesson in what constitutes "academic" and "forum." No, my dear, this site is not an "academic forum." It's a public space for people to offer commentary about whatever they wish to offer commentary on. While you have obviously confused the term "academic forum" with public commentary, you might want to step up your own intellect in terms of what defines "academic" and/or what defines "intellect," because it is clear that you are neither. (That's academic and/or intellectual, in case you fail to grasp the difference between the two.)
ReplyDeleteIt's true that UF is seen as the flagship institution of FL; however, it is also true that FSU is NOT the number 2 closing in on UF.
ReplyDeleteAlthough UCF and USF came into being long after FSU left it's mission of a finishing school for young white females; they both have individually distanced themselves as up and coming research institutions with strong academic programs.
UCF and USF each have colleges of engineering.
USF has a medical school, five campuses in three major metropolitan cities; the Moffitt Cancer Center recognized by NIH; and access to a trauma two teaching hospital and a pediatric hospital.
UCF located in Orlando with a recently established College of Medicine will more than likely focus on biomedical sciences and robotic like appendages.
Both of these universities have student populations that have surpassed FSU; strong fundraising machines; and regional and national academic programs.
FSU understands that it has lost precious grounds in these areas, while building a wrap-a-round stadium with a national recognized football program. Unlike FSU, every other football powerhouse (i.e., Mich, Ohio, Notre Dame, Florida, UCLA, Stanford) are known nationally for their contributions in the research and academia.
So posters we should not be surprised that FSU is in a mad race to play catchup.
Rattler Family, now that we have a proven leader, we should roll-up our sleeves and prepare to dig our way out of this valley. All great people and institutions have their valleys. This is our valley. We must prepare to rise to the occasion and return to the mountain top and this is what is feared, by a few small minded people. They know that nothing can stop us from reaching our true potential. We have been tried and tested before; and we always rise to the occasion.
Have no fear, FAMU will live on forever!
I do not know why we are even entertaining FSU criminoles giving them a response back on our blog when it has no merit. All they want to do is go down on our school and they are no better.
ReplyDeleteCome on. FSU is a joke as a research university. Look at the new US News Graduate School rankings. Other than the law school it STOLE from FAMU, and the Bush-apologist education college that is riding the coattails of Reading First, it hasw no national graduate programs of note. It claims to be strong in the sciences, but the reality is that FSU has no programs that rank highly. Its medical school is a joke. So is its business school. And it cannot claim to know anything about running an engineering school, as it brings in few grants and even its faculty are not very good. There is no way FSU is going to become an AAU member. The state is better off investing its resources in USF and UCF.
ReplyDeleteI am thoroughly convinced now that the master plan for FAMU is to turn it back into just a producer of undergraduate degreed African-Americans to boost the state of FL's racial numbers. After seeing Jennifer Jefferson, Tallahassee Democrat reporter, at the Honor's Convocation yesterday where Dr. Frederick S. Humphries spoke and defended his administration and absolutely nothing is in today's Tallahassee Democrat screams conspiracy in a big way. Humphries said boldly that the problems FAMU is now experiencing did not happen on his watch and even exposed that Fred Gainous could not close the books until Humphries staffers wrote a letter to tell him where the $3 million was that he needed to close the books. Now Cast-Hell just gives away the College of Engineering to TK Wetherell, who was the last state legislator to propose merger between FAMU and FSU, we MUST NOT LET THIS HAPPEN. James Corbin, Cast-Hell Bryant, Challis IS LOWE, and all of their cronies should be kicked in their royal asses for allowing FAMU to fall to this state of affairs. This is absolutely the worst six years in FAMU's glorious history and we have Mr. Corbin to thank for it. He's virtually handing FAMU over to its enemies. I'm mad as hell! This board is the PITS! Daryl Parks, Maurice Holder and Dr. Ammons will need our help to stand and fight any and everyone who wants to turn the clock back on FAMU. IT AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN!!!!!!!
ReplyDeleteLOL! Funny how the FSU thumpers disappear when the fact that they're really losers in the Florida higher ed game are presented to them.
ReplyDeleteReality is a mother...
To the person that said, "the reality is that FSU has no programs that rank highly," you couldn't be more wrong. FSU and UF are the only 2 publics in the state that rank nationally in more than just a handful of programs.
ReplyDeleteGraduate School Rankings (US News & World Report, among publics)
Gen Chem - 28
Analytical Chem - 13
Clinical Psychology - 32
Gen Physics - 26
Nuclear Physics - 8
Business Undergrad Program - 25
Real Estate - 13
Insurance/Risk Management - 7
Communications Disorders - Speech-Language Pathology - 32
Criminology - 11
Higher Ed - 13
Higher Ed Administration - 10
Rehabilitation Counseling - 16
Information Systems - 8
School Library Media - 4
Services for Children in Youth - 1
Information - 10
Law - 25
Environmental Law - 14
Motion Picture, Television and Recording Arts - 3
Music - 5
Opera - 3
Demography - Population Studies - 14
Poli Sci - 9
City Management and Urban Policy - 19
Public Finance and Budgeting - 17
Sex and Gender - 8 amongs grad programs, 10 among PhD
Sociology of Population - 14
Social Work - 25
Fine Arts - 28
Theatre - top 10
Non-US News Rankings
Human Sciences - top 10
Oceanography - 10
Philosophy of Action - 1
Normative Ethics and Moral Psychology - 13
Philosophy of Biology - 17
Metaethics - 17
Undergrad Accounting - 24
Hospitality - top 5
Urban Planning - 8
Art Education - 3
Dance - top 2
To the FAMU/UF alum, how is FAMU "so much better" than FSU? I'd like to see a serious response, because I'm asking a sincere question. I hope you don't let your disdain for FSU ruin your answer, if you choose to repond.
To all on this blog, wouldn't it be best if the CoE split? FAMU would have its own CoE and FSU would have its own CoE. Is there any opposition to this on the FAMU front? If you dislike sharing your CoE with FSU so much, and claim that your university is better, why not go to the Board of Governors and the legislature and get the CoE split in two?
The BOG had no business linking FAMU with the criminoles in the first place. Stop taking up space on our blog with you bullsh-t. Go play with Bobby or TK find you something to do. CRIMINOLES!!!!!
ReplyDeleteI still don't understand why the majority of FAMU supporters are on here insulting FSU, when its FAMU's own fault for the situation it's in financially. It is nobody else's fault. Quit pointing the finger and claiming that everyone (or maybe just FSU) is out to get you. If you could take care of your own house, the state wouldn't be giving FSU your money. It's funny to call FSU the criminoles, when your own administration is full of real-life criminals.
ReplyDeleteDon't make start talking about the special arrangement between TPD and LCSO for your damn athletes. Ya'll know those FSU arrests don't even make to the newspapers or TV.
ReplyDeleteWhat about your damn QB that likes to choke and beat his girlfriend. You know that one that wanted to go pro and was close to a certain county commissioner.
STFU or keep talking and I'll be singing like a canary in the fall. A garnet and gold one at that.
To all the FSU posters. Why do you have to justify and up and coming research power, already established arts and sciences giant to a lowly broke university with a backwards mission? TCC has a better academic reputation than FAM; they can raise more money as well! What does FAMU have? Oh yea, the Marching "minus a few" 100.
ReplyDeletei can ust see the hate between the schools, that why i hat the fam is next to fsu.
ReplyDeleteTo 3/30/2007 12:34 PM:
ReplyDeleteI would like to ask a question that could just as easily be directed to all on this message board: are you currently a CoE student or alumnus? As a CoE alumnus, I personally do not agree with the opinion that it should be split... and I have seen very little in the words of others from FAM that would lead me to believe they dislike sharing the E-school with FSU. (Even if they did, would it really be relevant if they could not speak from personal experience?)
I think the thing we are all forgetting amidst the financial issues is that the E-school provides a unique learning center - it allows collaborative learning from two universities that would probably otherwise not have anything to do with the other. Given it's been said that the shift is only for one year, I'm hoping that FAM can get it together before it's really too late... The CoE is one of a kind - it's rare that you see this kind of joint effort between schools which definitely makes it stand out. I enjoyed my experience as an engineering student; and, I sincerely believe it would be a great disservice to future FAMU and FSU engineering students to be left without the FAMU-FSU College of Engineering.
Before anyone says anything, I know this issue has been brought on because of finances... apparently it's always about money. As I stated before, I'm hoping that with a new administration, FAMU can pull through this and maintain its stake in the E-school.