The Looming SACS Mess --Part I

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Lately, there has been much discussion about a process that FAMU has been in engaged in and successfully completed for over 50 years---accreditation by the Southern Association of Schools and Colleges. Under the leadership of Dr. Walter Mercer, at least three times, FAMU has successfully steered its way through the accreditation process. What is most confusing about the current process is, “why did the interim president dismiss Dr. Mercer”, without any provocation or with very little respect? Even if she desired new leadership, was the rude and dismissive way she handled this necessary? This is another example of her not relying upon institutional knowledge and experience as a bridge to get the job done
"effectively, efficiently and effortlessly." The interim nor her provost has any experience, whatsoever, in getting a comprehensive university through the reaffirmation process. Although, they may have experience as community college administrators, FAMU’s process will cover all degree granting programs: associate of arts, bachelors, master’s, J.D., Ed.D and Ph.D. Secondly, she abruptly removed Dr. Friday-Stroud without warning in public forum as SACS Liaison and replaced her with (best girlfriend) Vivian "just got tenure" Hobbs.

The problem is the latest “Big Cover-Up” of the lie they told to SACS/BOT (see page 4) about the faculty-peer review process. Did it or did it not take place as they reported? Well here is an excerpt from one of our posters:

@@ As it was fully disclosed at the June 29th BOT meeting, Janie Greenleaf sidelined her own faculty committee, including her co-chair, as she unilaterally decided not to involve them in the evaluation of faculty credentials. Instead she hired two faculty members (Demetral Worthen and JoAnn Houston [both deltas]) or other staff on a paid basis to evaluate some 900 FAMU faculty credentials strictly based on faculty transcripts and assignments of responsibility. The process used by Greenleaf’s office was totally flawed as it completely ignored the SACS procedural guidelines and criteria with respect to the evaluation of faculty qualifications. At any rate, this was the FIRST TIER in the 3-TIERED PROCESS that the provost claimed to have applied.

@@ The deans were supposed, actually required, to consult with the concerned department heads and contact their impacted faculty members regarding their SACS status, but it did not happen in every case as there were many faculty members across the campus who were not even notified at all of Greenleaf’s decision regarding their SACS status. As a result, it is entirely possible that there are many faculty members on the list who still are not clear about their SACS status or what fate awaits them. Regardless the deans sent their respective responses to the provost. This was the SECOND TIER in the 3-TIERED PROCESS.

@@ Just a few days before the June 29th BOT meeting, this committee was resurrected by Hobbs and Greenleaf and was asked to review those faculty members who were placed on the above-mentioned 2nd list (the disputed group). This was the THIRD TIER in the 3-TIERED PROCESS highlighted by the provost. To repeat, only the disputed group of faculty was reviewed by this committee, not the rest. Therefore, the fact is that there was no THIRD TIER review for those faculty members who were justifiably or unjustifiably categorized as NOT QUALIFIED by both parties involved in the first two tiers. So to talk about a three-tiered process is somewhat misleading, for it did not cover everybody. Now if the university wants to do the right thing then the provost, Debra Austin should correct this mistake. Austin reported as trying to correct this lie and has said as much recently in the Tallahassee Democrat “FAMU, for instance, is about to redo a previously attempted peer review of all faculty members' credentials,” said Austin. The Accreditation Liaison [Vivian Hobbs] (appendix B; pg. 43) role is doubly important because they are responsible for the accuracy of all information submitted to SACS, as well as, Castell Bryant's role to insure objectivity and integrity of the university is upheld. SACS assumes that all participants in the process will conduct their responsibilities with integrity, objectivity, and fairness.

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  1. And when FAMU ends up getting probation or worst from SACS, the Bryant cheerleading squad will use the same tired excuses:

    "She did not create these problems. She is fixing problems that were here long before she came. FAMU was not evaluating faculty credentials correctly until Bryant came."

    Forget the fact that Mercer had successfully navigated FAMU through the accreditation process for decades. No, Bryant's supporters want us to believe that FAMU's accreditation was in a state of crisis and confusion.

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  2. It is wayyyyy... past time for those who are concerned about the future of FAMU to move to action.

    It is obvious that the chair of the Board of Governors (Carolyn Roberts) is backing the destruction of FAMU as well as the chancellor of the State University System, Mark Rosenberg (back door deal to replace Debra Austin as chancellor) and the governor.

    What these people are counting on with the assistance of Castell and Corbin is that we have been neutralized/silenced and will not come together against the common enemy long enough to stop fighting amongst ourselves.

    I believe that we as Rattlers and supporters of FAMU are much more savvy and intelligent than these individuals give us credit for. With that said, Rev. Miles always said FAMU must stand forever, no matter the foe, well the FOE is in our house NOW, and we must get them out of our house by any means necessary.

    I challenge a 1,000 Rattlers to begin today to contact the following destroyers of FAMU and demand that a new president is seated by December 2006; demand that the faculty and staff rights are respected through the collective bargaining agreement; and demand that our future, FAMU students are given the respect, support and nuturing environment to develop into future leaders of our society; and demand that John Franco, Department of Education, Inspector General, under Derry Harper's supervision and oversight, Florida Chief Inspector General, begin the investigation into why the university went from a $11 million surplus as reported by Castell Bryant in October 2005 to a $10.4 million dollar loss, as well as, impeding the investigation of these allegations by the FAMU inspector general and assistant inspector general who have consequently been placed on administrative leave; and finally and investigation into the relationship of Challis Lowe and the Hollins Group and why they were given a no bid contract.

    The Governor, the chair of BOG and the Chancellor are culpable and should ultimately be held responsible.

    FAMU was not a dragon that needed to be slayed/destroyed by Castell Bryant and Challis Lowe the self appointed dragonslayers.

    Contact these appointed and elected officials today, tomorrow, and forever until we get some results. They can no longer refuse to answer those that represent us at the UFF bargaining table, the elected SGA officials or even the few alumni who have been writing. Let's do this en masse and copied our elected senators, congresspersons, legislators and even the media if you feel compelled to do so.

    We go on record TODAY, to say enough is enough!

    The Honorable Jeb Bush
    Governor
    The Capitol
    400 South Monroe Street
    Tallahassee, FL 32399
    jeb.bush@myflorida.com
    Phone: 850/488/7146
    Fax: 850-487-0801

    Carolyn Roberts
    Chair, Board of Governors
    115 Northeast Eighth Avenue
    Ocala, Florida 34470
    info@robertsflorida.com
    Toll-Free: (800) 352-1261
    Office: (352) 351-0011
    Fax: (352) 351-8811

    Mark Rosenberg
    Chancellor
    State University System of Florida
    325 West Gaines Street, Suite 1614
    Tallahassee, FL 32399
    (850) 245-0466
    (850) 245-9685 Fax
    Chancellor@flbog.org

    Let's take this fight to the streets. They are counting on the proud, faithful, die-hard Rattlers to continue to complain and fight amongst ourselves. Let's take this fight to their houses and let's see how that like the negative media and press that will follow in the wake of them sitting quietly while FAMU is destroyed. These individuals know that they appointed several of the most destructive individuals to sit on our board. Roberts and Bush should be held accountable for their appointees.

    Jeb Bush continues to make back door deals with James Corbin and Castell Bryant. This is information that Corbin sprews like poison to whomever will listen that Jeb listens to and follows his lead on any and everything dealing with FAMU, including keeping competent individuals from serving on our board of trustees.

    This is a call to action if you care and love FAMU!

    FOREVER FAMU

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  3. man what the fuck. these deltas are running my school into the fucking ground.

    how in the fuck can we do the shit right for 50 years, but NOW we seem to lost in the wilderness.

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  4. A Law School Dean can manage, mediate, mediate and/or mollify the mess.Liberate the Law school
    Get a Dean !
    Good morning to the foul-mouthed (Alpha ) at 811

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  5. Just because has been messed up for years under Humphries, does not mean people can blame Dr. Bryant for trying to get it straight. FAMU time is over for free passes. We must allow Dr. Bryant to straighten this mess out. There are faculty that are not qualified to teach at a university. Look at SBI. No one to blame but Dr. Mobley and Dr. Humphries.

    Let's support Dr. Bryant. She knows what she is doing.

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  6. She knows what she is doing.
    Yes she does! And she certainly knows how to destroy a school, program-by-program., which is exactly what she is doing to FAMU.

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  7. The 7/27/2006 1:59AM comment is right on target! The destruction of FAMU is a part of larger diabolical plan orchestrated by a powerful convervative cabal to destroy public education (primary, secondary, and collegiate) in this country. HBCUs are at the top of the list.

    Do you think that the vast majority of HBCUs are poorly administered is by accident? All across this country we've seen HBCUs in financial trouble, the deteterioration of their academic programs and facilities, their faculty paid considerably less than their counterparts at predominantly white institutions while the salaries of incompetent HBCU top administrators are practically on par with those at predominantly white institutions, etc., etc.. Who are the people who appoint HBCU board members and determine the presidents and other top administrators of these institutions? Once intelligent, thoughtful, objective individuals discover the answers to these questions and analyze what's going on with HBCUs across this country, the picture of what is happening and why becomes blatantly obvious.

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  8. Time for AC...After Castell!!!

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  9. Re: 9:33 AM

    I worked for Dr. Humphries and I tried to work for Castell. Dr. Humphries was a very brillant scholar and his record speaks for itself. I have done the research and all the last five Presidents at FAMU: Gainous, Humphries, Smith, Perry and Gore. I found that Humphries, Perry and Gore were true academicians, and that Gainous and Smith had successful careers as excellent higher education managers. I also looked at the last two Interim Presidents of FAMU and found that Lewis is well respected researcher and served with excellence at Texas Southern University. We have witnessed his record at FAMU. This brings us to Castell Bryant. She served at Miami-Dade and was transferred from the North Campus because of her hidden agenda. In addition, she used her position in Miami to bully, curse, and divide her staff. This woman seems to have a pattern of incompetence, thereby, using a bullish attitude as means of cover-up of her lack of knowledge. I have accepted another job away from FAMU because I could no long perform my duties effectively as a researcher and teacher in such a tense envirnoment. The morale of the faculty and staff had gone down to zero. I would loved to have continued my tenure at FAMU but life is meant to be lived. "I promise to live and not die". If I had continued at FAMU, I would have died from the adverse actions of this present administration. I knew it was time to leave when Eddie Jackson, and Roosevelt Wilson abandoned the "Sinking Ship". Please remember they supported her before because of their prior relationship. I support the independent audit and I would also suggest that an audit of the faculty credentials be reviewed by someone else other than Debra Austin and Janie Greenleaf. It is my hope that FAMU be able to survive the "Civil War" and attack on its good name among outstanding colleges in the world. I congratulate Drs. Humphries, Gainous and Smith for being able to watch this performance on the University they served with distinction and honor. FAMU will rise again from among the ashes.

    FAMU FOREVER!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  10. The accreditation process was not "messed up" under Dr. Humphries. Under Humphries, FAMU had two successful SACS accreditation reviews (1988 and 1998).

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  11. Well if it ain't enough to run folks off, she is now running money away. How many more faculty will pack up and take there research and research dollars with them?

    Carolyn Roberts, Mark Rosenberg and Jeb Bush would not allow the destruction of UF, USF, UCF or FSU on the level that they have permitted at FAMU. How can they not see the incompetence of these folks they have released on the FAMU family?

    Turn a blind eye to hide your dirty hands. Roberts, Rosenberg and Bush will be held accountable for this wrong deed. It's only a matter of time before their pawns are found out and brought to justice.

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  12. Has anyone looked into Castell Bryant, Debra Austin, Vivian Hobbs and Janie Greenleafs' credentials? Will they evaluated as well on the same criteria as the faculty? Where is the SACS and the UFF in making sure these people are credentialed? Their credentials should be the first evaluated.

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  13. The true problem is that FAMU did not implement all of the requirements laid out in the 1998 SACS visit. The SACS team has already made it clear that not only must the University comply with the 1998 report, but it must be up to 2008 standards. Stop blaming folks and just get the job done. That is what is important

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  14. We should asked Dr. Mercer about the 1998 SACS review follow-up and let him tell us about it. Dr. Mercer did an awesome job in 1998 and afterwards.

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  15. The 1998 SACS review did list areas for improvement. But all those areas were minor. None of them prevented FAMU from securing full accreditation that year.

    Dr. Robinson and Dr. Mercer had everything together for the FAMU's 2008 SACS process. Dr. Bryant came in, trashed all Robinson and Mercer's work, and started the entire process over again. Then, she lied to the public, saying that the Gainous administration had done nothing to prepare for the 2008 review.

    Under Bryant, the accreditation process is sliding backwards and getting progressively worse. As for "blaming folks," we need to give criticism where criticism is due.

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  16. Anonymous at 7/27/2006 2:46 PM,

    The true problem is that FAMU did not implement all of the requirements laid out in the 1998 SACS visit. The SACS team has already made it clear that not only must the University comply with the 1998 report, but it must be up to 2008 standards. Stop blaming folks and just get the job done. That is what is important

    You are kidding right. Dr. Humphries left in December 2001. It is five years later and you are trying to hold him accountable for this mess.

    Please, this is DC, during Castell.

    Another poster had it correctly, Castell and folks messed up the process, not let Castell and folks fix it. After all, Debra Austin claims to be some type of SACS guru expert.

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  17. It is so important to be informed...really it is!

    I have seen many comments about how FAMU successfully passed the 1998 SACS review and how wonderful a job Dr. Mercer had done. Yet, what evidence is there of this?

    Wait, let me answer that. There isn't.

    There is a large difference between a CLEAN house and a TIDY house. FAMU has been TIDY to-date. Many issues have been swept under the rug and a talented PR department has helped to mask many of the deep rooted issues FAMU has faced. Unfortunately, FAMU is still responding to Suggestions and Recommendations from the 1998 SACS review. So despite the assumption that focusing on FAMU's reaccreditation in 2008 is a waste of time, it is something that needs very VERY serious attention. What one needs to understand is that it was, at one point in time, possible to be awarded accreditation without actually passing in many critical areas. However, in 2003, SACS made major changes to its standards and accreditation processes, making passing "by the skin of our teeth" no longer an option. Also what needs to be understood is that SACS, or rather the Reaccreditation Process for SACS at FAMU, is not a process that should begin the year or two years before the report is due to SACS. Instead, it is a process that should become engrained in the culture of this University. And in order to do that, it is necessary for the University to understand the importance of this process. The process itself is a tedious one and requires regular internal audits to ensure that the University is running efficiently.

    I appreciate the comedy in the rising phoenix analogy, however, FAMU is hardly in ashes. It is necessary, however, to rise above the level on which we currently sit. I may even agree with the opinion that FAMU will pass the 2008 review without any major focus on it. But do we really want to barely make it? Is it okay to sit on the edge of our seats from October 2007 until February 2008 when the SACS review committee arrives, biting our nails and having to say… “Phew!...We just made it ya’ll!” The university needs to get to a point where a SACS visit is not a big deal…and we can move on to more important issues.

    Lastly, why must we accuse people of trying to sabatoge FAMU when many of them are alumni themselves? While the school does have enemies, not everyone is “out to get us”. The conspiracy theory philosophy is a bit dramatic, don’t you think? If you ask most of them, they’d probably say that they want to make sure that all of our degrees are worth the paper on which they are printed.

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  18. Dr. Bryant let Dr. Greenleaf appoint special so-call "professionals" to SAC review committees. Half of them don't know what they are doing and the other half don't care. A close relative of mine told me that a long time ago that Dr. Joann Houston flunked out of law school after one or two quarters because she was so dumb. My cousin went on to get his law degree and he is practicing in Orlando and Dr. Houston is a teacher because she flunked out of school at FSU. Dr.Vivian Hobbs and Debra Austin aren't much better but at least I haven't heard that they flunked out of school and they all have the nerve to be evaluating someone's academic credentials.

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  19. I don't know why I am taking the time to acknowledge the nonsense on this site with a response, but I feel it a horrible offense to attack someone’s credibility with ludicrous “facts.” Once again, I beg people to do their research.

    As far as the process for evaluating faculty credentials is concerned, it does not take a rocket scientist to figure out. All professors must have a minimum 18 graduate-level courses in the area in which they are teaching. Period. And from what I have come to understand, many professors who are in question have credentials, but are just teaching out of the field in which their degrees are in. Of course there are others issues as well, but basically it boils down to whether or not people are in compliance. If they are not, they need to find a way to be in compliance, or they will end up jeopardizing the jobs, degrees and future of thousands of people. No one is trying to fire anyone, but the university must do what is in the best interest of the majority of the population that is affected. It is a difficult thing to do, but it has to be done.

    Secondly, I don’t know about Dr. Houston, Dr. Greenleaf or Dr. Austin, but I do know Dr. Vivian L. Hobbs…and I have for sometime. And since the question of credentials has been subject of much discussion, I felt it might be helpful to share a FEW HIGHLIGTS from her Curriculum Vitae. Feel free to pass along to your friends and cousins.

    EDUCATIONAL
    - Ph.D. Florida State University, Victorian Literature
    - M.A. Florida State University, Classical and Modern Humanities
    - B.A. Florida A&M University, English with Certification

    SELECTED COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT
    - Leadership Tallahassee, Chamber of Commerce, Board of Governors (98-00)
    - The Florida Bar Board of Governors (appointed by the Supreme Court) (00-04)
    - Board of Directors for the Bethel Empowerment Foundation (co-chair and member) (01-03)
    - Coach to the Honda Campus All Star Challenge National Championship Team (which has won $380,500 that has been used for student scholarships): The teams have been recognized in USA Today, National Geographic, Smithsonian, US News and World Report, Ebony, Time Magazine, Black Enterprise and Newsweek) (1990-now)

    HONORS AND AWARDS
    - Fulbright-Hays Study Abroad Fellowship (Brazil) (02)
    - Guest of President Bill Clinton at the Capitol White House (98-99)
    - FAMU Faculty Senate Service Award (2000)

    I’m tired of typing, but if you’d like the whole thing, I’m sure she’d be happy to send it to you. And to the rest of you, pick up a book or a newspaper some time and stop reading useless blogs.

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  20. Are you folks serious? I just wonder if we're talking about the same people here...

    I can't speak for all these people you guys bash, but as a proud FAMUan I remember Dr. Vivian Hobbs as the Coach of our SIX TIME NATIONAL CHAMPIONS Honda Campus All-Star Challenge Team (That's six times in sixteen years!). For those who don't know, that's quiz bowl (brain bowl to some). I'm just trying to make sure you are questioning the credentials of a woman who has brought national prominence and awards totaling nearly $400,000 to our school.

    How many of you bashers can say you've given even one red cent back to the school that helped prepare you for life?

    I also know a number of the people who played on her teams, and all of them will attest to her depth and breadth of knowledge as a Professor and Coach. So yeah, obviously she must be lacking credentials. I'm sure they just found her on the street and were like, "Hey--want to teach and coach a quiz bowl team in your free time?"

    But let's be clear for those wondering: she's not the coach of the Honda Team because she has to be, was appointed, or gets paid. Dr. Hobbs gets up at 8 AM EVERY Saturday morning--for free-- and comes to practice because she LOVES FAMU. And I for one believe she is working on the SACS Reaffirmation Process (not Accreditation) for the same reason--she loves her alma mater.

    So for those out there making these comments because they "love" FAMU, let's stop bashing people who love it just as much, if not more than you. Let's start helping, and stop the backbiting. You want to complain? Give something back to your institution like Dr. Hobbs has done--in the classroom, with Honda, or with the SACS Process. Then maybe you could be like her--in a position to actually make positive changes in the University instead of sitting on the sidelines WHINING.

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  21. >>>As far as the process for evaluating faculty credentials is concerned, it does not take a rocket scientist to figure out. All professors must have a minimum 18 graduate-level courses in the area in which they are teaching. Period.<<<

    That is absolutely false. Anyone with an elementary understanding of the reaffirmation process knows that graduate-level courses are not the only way to qualify to teach a specific academic discipline.

    Faculty members can also qualify to teach specific academic disciplines through their professional experience and research. This is accepted by SACS and every other university accrediting body.

    Indeed, professors often create and teach new courses that were not available when they were in graduate school. That is how the academy grows.

    FAMU never had to lay off large numbers of professors in order to secure reaffirmation in 1998, 1988, or any other year. The problem is that Bryant and Austin do not want to take the time to take professional experience and research into consideration while evaluating faculty teaching credentials. That is why so many professors' jobs are in jeopardy.

    This opens up the floodgates for more lawsuits because these faculty members' teaching credentials are not being evaluated under the full list of options that are made available by academic accrediting bodies. FAMU is preparing to throw many fully qualified professors to the curb without any legal justification.

    Bryant, Austin, and Hobbs do not have the qualifications, experience, or competence to evaluate FAMU faculty credentials for SACS compliance.

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  22. >>>Castell Bryant, Debra Austin and their staff have done more to change a culture of medicocrity that has long filled many of the administrative and executive positions at FAMU, more so than anyone since Dr. Humphries arrived in 1985.<<<

    You cannot be serious.

    -The auditor general found that FAMU's finances are still in a mess. The institution continues to have multi-million dollar reporting errors.

    -Financial aid is still a mess. It has not recovered from the damage that Ken Tague inflicted (a man Bryant hired and fired).

    -The recruitment program has been destroyed and as a result, enrollment is slumping.

    -The research division has been torn apart. Research contracts and grants are down by the multi-millions.

    FAMU's financial condition is not improving under Bryant. She finished 2004-2005 with a larger deficit and smaller net asset than her predecessor. And there was NO SURPLUS.

    Bryant and Austin are definitely turning FAMU around. They are turning it BACKWARDS!

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  23. FAMU did not pass the 1998 SACS reaffirmation process "by the skin our teeth." We passed with full, unconditional reaffirmation.

    Yes, SACS made modifications to its standards in 2003, just as it had during previous years. FAMU never had any problems meeting new standards before and there is no evidence that is was in danger not being able to do this again.

    Dr. Mercer and Dr. Robinson had everything on track for FAMU to secure full reaffirmation again in 2008. However, Bryant got rid of both of them and trashed all their work. Then FAMU had to begin the entire process over again. Vivian Hobbs and the others who are heading this new effort are not experienced in dealing with the reaffirmation process. They are struggling to learn as go along.

    The reaffirmation process SHOULD NOT be led by people who need on-the-job training. This is a serious undertaking that needs to be done by people who have PROVEN experience with this task.

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  24. 8/01/2006 9:20 AM
    I’m tired of typing, but if you’d like the whole thing, I’m sure she’d be happy to send it to you. And to the rest of you, pick up a book or a newspaper some time and stop reading useless blogs.


    While you are professing, can you please post Vivian Hobbs' horrible application for tenure and any papers she's published along with her current research funded grants, and awards, citations for her contribution to Victorian literature? Now that's the laughing joke on campus.

    Thank you.

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  25. But let's be clear for those wondering: she's not the coach of the Honda Team because she has to be, was appointed, or gets paid. Dr. Hobbs gets up at 8 AM EVERY Saturday morning--for free (at $90,000, please give me a break)-- and comes to practice because she LOVES FAMU. And I for one believe she is working on the SACS Reaffirmation Process (not Accreditation) for the same reason--she loves her alma mater.

    Vivian Hobbs and Eva Wanton stabbed Fred Humphries so many times in the back he should be paralyzed from the neck down. They used to sit in Ron Joe's student activities office and talk about Fred Humphries like a dog.

    Just goes to show Humphries was on different level. He still appointed Vivian as advisor to the Brain Bowl Team.

    Thank God for all of the outstanding Nat'l Achievement Scholars, semifinalists, Valedictorians, Saluatorians, and other outstanding students that made up the FAMU Brain Bowl Team.

    Has anyone looked at the stats lately? I believe we have lost to NCCU.

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  26. >>>Anonymous has also conceded all of the points that I made about mismanagement and problems at the University that Drs. Bryant, Austin and Hobbs are trying to fix by stating in his/her reply<<<

    FAMU's finances are STILL in a mess as a result of the shake-ups that Jim Corbin and Castell Bryant inflicted. There were indeed financial problems under Fred Humphries, but FAMU's financial condition did not enter into a crisis mode until Corbin-Bryant interfered.

    After Jim Corbin rigged the presidential selection process for Fred Gainous, he called for V.K. Sharma, Marie Shetty, and Robert O'Kelley to be axed. All the institutional financial knowledge left the Controller's office and no one knew how to prepare the financial statement.

    It was Bryant's job to correct this situation. She has not done that. Indeed, she made the situation worse. Bryant reported a non existent "surplus," and was unable to account for hundreds of millions. Despite her claims to the contrary, it is clear that she does not have a handle on the finances.

    -Financial aid is still a mess. It has not recovered from the damage that Ken Tague inflicted (a man Bryant hired and fired)."

    Financial aid had serious customer serious issues for years. That is well known by anyone who went to FAMU. However, under Bryant, the problems became worse.

    When Bryant came into office, she fired Brian Terry, the former financial aid director at Wayne State, who Gainous had hired. Terry had been making steady progress in repairing FAMU's financial aid problems. But Bryant did not care.

    In Terry's place, Bryant hired Ken Tague, a former Miami-Dade CC campus financial aid director. Tague had no experience with university-level financial aid administration and it showed.

    Tague reversed all the steps that Terry had made to streamline financial aid processing and improve communications within the office. The office quickly descended into administrative gridlock and confusion. Student lines went out of Foote-Hilyer and all the way across the Lee Hall parking lot. Tague also used to barricade himself in his office and refused to return parent phone calls or see the irate students.

    Bryant came down to the financial aid office four times and personally screaming at and cursed out Tague. However, matters only got worse. Eventually, Bryant was left with no choice but to fire Tague. Tague did not know how to run a university-level financial aid office and never should have been hired in the first place. FAMU is not a community college.

    >>>Further, as a former student of Dr. Hobbs, I can assure you that her teaching credentials are in order, and any tenure application that she tendered was more than acceptable.<<<

    You are woefully misinformed. Hobss does not have the publication requirements for tenure by a long shot. Bryant ignored the basic tenure requirements and pushed Hobbs' tenure application through anyway. If and when this decision is reviewed by SACS, it will amount to a clear and indefensible violation of our accreditation requirements. Hobbs' DID NOT meet the requirements for tenure AT ALL.

    >>>Trust me, there are plenty of folks in the past 20 years that have chaired departments, received tenure and/or been appointed president with far fewer credentials than she.<<<

    If you have evidence of this, please provide it. FAMU received full, unconditional accreditation in 1988 and 1998. SACS did not cite any material problems with FAMU's tenure process back then. Your assertation is not backed by any evidence and is not supported by the rulings from our accrediting body.

    Futhermore, you failed to address the simple fact that graduate education is not the only way to qualify for teaching a specific academic discipline. Faculty members can also qualify to teach specific academic disciplines through their professional experience and research. This is accepted by SACS and every other university accrediting body. Yet, Bryant and Debra Austin chose to ignore this. That irresponsible decision will open the floodgates for more wrongful termination lawsuits.

    Bryant's changes are hurting, not helping FAMU. The university's financial condition has deteriorated, the reaffirmation process is being run into the ground, enrollment is down, research dollars are down, and faculty and staff morale is down.

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  27. "Bryant, Austin, and Hobbs do not have the qualifications, experience, or competence to evaluate FAMU faculty credentials for SACS compliance."
    --This seems to be a matter of opinion. Where are you facts to back up such personal and baseless accusations?

    "We passed [the 1998 SACS Reaffirmation] with full, unconditional reaffirmation."
    --This is not true. The school passed so conditionally it should be ashamed.

    "FAMU never had any problems meeting new standards before and there is no evidence that is was in danger not being able to do this again."
    --The '08 SACS review requires that a 75 page report be submitted electronically that shows the University has very specific procedures in place. This would have been as new a process for Dr. Mercer as it is now for new administration in place.

    "FAMU's financial condition is not improving under Bryant. She finished 2004-2005 with a larger deficit and smaller net asset than her predecessor. And there was NO SURPLUS."
    --Dr. Bryant was appointed December 2004, so the '04-'05 budget is only a small reflection of her leadership. The '05-'06 budget, which is due in the fall, would be the budget to criticize, would it not?

    "Thank God for all of the outstanding Nat'l Achievement Scholars, semifinalists, Valedictorians, Salutatorians, and other outstanding students that made up the FAMU Brain Bowl Team."
    --To say that a coach has no impact on the performance of a team is just plain ignorant. I’m sure Phil Jackson would be horribly offended. The team won in 2005, 2003, 1999, 1998, 1996 and 1991. They are the winningest team in Honda history…with Morehouse in second place with only 4 rings versus FAMU’s 6. Give credit where credit is due.

    Vivian Hobbs and Eva Wanton stabbed Fred Humphries so many times in the back he should be paralyzed from the neck down. They used to sit in Ron Joe's student activities office and talk about Fred Humphries like a dog.
    --Dr. Hobbs and Dr. Humphries are really good friends. She and Mrs. Humphries were really good friends. She has a key to the president’s house. Dr. Humphries visited the Hobbs and the Honda team at the Tournament in 2002, 2003, 2004, and 2006. In 2005, he couldn’t visit because he was ill. Dr. Ammons has come to sit in on matches too…even when his team was competing.

    If you have more, feel free to post. I think myself and others would be more than happy to offer an unbiased and informed response to your readers.

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  28. Thank you 12:41, 8/2/06 for your factual comments. Hobb's tenure application is a public document that the University has conveniently misplaced so that it will not come under public scrutiny.

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  29. Thank you 12:41, 8/2/06 for your factual comments. Hobb's tenure application is a public document that the University has conveniently misplaced so that it will not come under public scrutiny.
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  30. >>>"Bryant, Austin, and Hobbs do not have the qualifications, experience, or competence to evaluate FAMU faculty credentials for SACS compliance."
    --This seems to be a matter of opinion. Where are you facts to back up such personal and baseless accusations?<<<

    Bryant and Austin's background is community college administration. FAMU IS NOT a community college. They have no experience in heading a university-level SACS reaffirmation process. Hobbs, unlike Mercer and Robinson, never played a central role in any university-level SACS reaffirmation process either. This is NOT the place for on-the-job training.

    >>>"We passed [the 1998 SACS Reaffirmation] with full, unconditional reaffirmation."
    --This is not true. The school passed so conditionally it should be ashamed.<<<

    And once again, there is no truth to that. The SACS review committee did cite areas for improvement (as it does with practically every university). However, FAMU's reaffirmation was full and unconditional.

    When SACS conditionally reaffirms a university's membership, it gives it institution a warning or places it on probation. That did happen to FAMU.

    Your false claim about "conditional" reaffirmation is similar to what Bryant did when she asserted that there as $51M deficit at FAMU. It is not supported by the facts and is designed to create a crisis where one does not exist.

    >>>The '08 SACS review requires that a 75 page report be submitted electronically that shows the University has very specific procedures in place. This would have been as new a process for Dr. Mercer as it is now for new administration in place.<<<

    So what? This is not the first time that SACS has modified its requirements. Mercer and Robinson never had any problems meeting previous requirements with respect to the reaffirmation process. They have a demonstrated record of success -- much unlike Bryant, Austin, and Hobbs.

    >>>Dr. Bryant was appointed December 2004, so the '04-'05 budget is only a small reflection of her leadership. The '05-'06 budget, which is due in the fall, would be the budget to criticize, would it not?<<<

    You have got to be joking. It was Bryant's job to turn in an accurate financial statement. She did not do that. She claimed a surplus when no surplus ever existed. She also failed to properly account for millions of dollars. She finished with a larger deficit and smaller net asset than her predecessor.

    She is a poor financial manager. Pure and simple.

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  31. CORRECTION: "When SACS conditionally reaffirms a university's membership, it gives it institution a warning or places it on probation. That DID NOT happen to FAMU."

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  32. Dr. Walter Mercer
    Professor,
    200 D, GEC - B,
    Florida A&M University.
    e-mail : walter.mercer@famu.edu
    Phone : 850-561-2440

    Education :

    Fisk University Bachelor of Arts Degree (1950)
    Major: Religious Education
    Minor: Elementary Education

    Indiana University Master of Science Degree in Education (1952)
    Major: Elementary Education
    Minor: Educational of Psychology

    Atlanta University Further Study (Summer 1953, 1954)
    Supervision of Student Teaching

    Indiana University Doctor of Education Degree (1961)
    Major: Elementary Education
    Minor: Educational Psychology
    Outside Minor: Sociology and Anthropology

    University of Georgia Further Study (Summer 1973)
    Human Relations

    Florida State University One-year Post Doctoral Study (1974)
    Counselor and Career Education

    Employment Experiences :

    Savannah State College Savannah State College Laboratory School
    Savannah, GA (1952-1955)

    Savannah State College
    Savannah, GA (1952-1962)
    Instructor of Education

    Savannah State College Assistant Professor of Education

    Associate Professor of Education

    College Supervisor of Student Teaching

    Director of Student Teaching

    Florida A&M University College of Education
    Tallahassee, FL (1962-Present)
    Professor of Education

    Director of Student Teaching

    Chairman, Department of Early Childhood
    and Elementary Education

    Director, NCATE Continuing Accreditation
    Team Leadership

    Director, FAMU TEAM Program

    Director, SACS Self Study

    Director, Post SACS Self Study

    COURSE TAUGHT DURING 2001-2002 : None

    ADMINISTRATIVE DUTIES DURING 2001-2002 :
    Director, Post SACS Self Study
    Director, NCATE Continuing Accreditation
    Team Leadership
    SCHOLARSHIP/RESEARCH Forty Publications

    PROFESSIONAL TRAVEL :

    National Academy for Leadership in Education, Summer Policy Institute Sponsored by Yale University Child Study Center School Development Program, July 25-27, 2001, Washington, DC.

    Annual Meeting of the Southern Association of Colleges and Schools, New Orleans, LA, December 2001

    Annual Meeting of Association of Teacher Educators, Denver, CO, February 2002

    Annual Meeting of American Association of Colleges for Teacher Education, New York, NY, February 2002

    The Negro Educational Review 52nd Annual Board of Editors Conference, April 2002, Washington, DC

    Teacher Education Deans and Directors Meeting at the University of South Florida St. Petersburg, January 2002

    SERVICE :

    Leadership in Professional Organizations :

    Chair, (1989-Present), Special Study Group on Historically Black Colleges/Universities and Other Interested Persons of the American Association of Colleges for Teacher Education

    Associate Managing Editor, Negro Education Review, (52 years old)

    Leadership to the Department, College and University :

    Director, NCATE Continuing Accreditation Team Leadership

    Director, Post SACS Self Study


    DISTINGUISHED AWARDS :

    Recipient of Florida A&M University Meritorious Achievement Award, December 2001

    Recipient of Florida A&M University Millennium Award FAMUan of the Century, October
    2000

    Recipient of Florida A&M University Distinguished Service Award, May 1999

    Selected As a Florida A&M University Living Legend, October 1977


    MEMBERSHIPS :

    Association of Teacher Educators

    Southeast Regional Association of Teacher Educators (STRATE)

    National Education Association

    Association for Supervision and Curriculum Development, Member

    Phi Delta Kappa, Member

    Kappa Delta Pi

    Florida ASCD

    Pi Lambda Theta

    ACCREDITATION ACTIVITIES :

    Member, SACS Committee on College of Education, 1966-68

    Chairperson, SACS Principal Committee on Graduate Program, 1976-78

    Director, SACS Self-Study, 1986-88

    Director, SACS Self-Study, 1996-98

    Chairperson, NCATE Committee on Professional Laboratory Experiences, 1963-64

    Director, NCATE-BOR Self-Study Process, 1980-82

    Director, NCATE-DOE-BOR Self-Study Process, 1990-92

    Director, NCATE-DOE-BOR Self-Study Process, 1995-97

    NATIONAL COUNCIL FOR ACCREDITATION OF TEACHER EDUCATION BOARD OF EXAMINERS MEMBERS 1989-96 :

    Colleges and Universities evaluated are as following:

    Sam Houston University (Texas)

    Doane College (Nebraska)

    Coppins State College (Maryland)

    Johnson C. Smith University (North Carolina)

    Campbell University (North Carolina)

    Trinity University (Texas)

    South Dakota State University (South Dakota)

    Boston College (Mass)

    University of New Orleans (Louisiana)

    Virginia State University

    SELECTED PROFESSIONAL MEETINGS ATTENDED:

    Southern Association of Colleges and Schools’ Annual Meeting and Centennial Celebration, Atlanta, GA, December 9-12, 1995.

    Southern Association of Colleges and Schools’ Annual Meeting, Nashville, Tennessee, December
    8-11, 1996.

    Southern Association of Colleges and Schools Annual Meeting, New Orleans, Louisiana, December 7-10, 1997.

    American Association of College of Teacher Education Annual Meetings, 1982 to
    present.

    PROJECT (S) :

    Director, Teacher Education for America’s Minorities (TEAM) Program Total funds based on yearly proposal 1989-96 was over $400,000.00 from the Ford Foundation.

    SELECTION SPEECHES/PRESENTATIONS :

    Metro-Miami Action Plan, Education Action Committee
    Keynote Speaker
    Subject: The Effects of Standardized Testing on Black Student - July 12, 1990 Miami, FL

    First Lamar County Alumni/Alumna Mass Class Reunion
    (Lumberton, Purvis and Hattiesburg, Mississippi)
    Banquet Speaker
    Subject: African Americans: Past Present and future - July 5, 1991

    Albany State University
    Pres-Session Staff and Faculty Conference
    Present
    Subject: Self-Assessment and Change: An In-Depth View of Accreditation Standards
    September 16, 1997
    Albany, GA

    Made a Presentation on SACS Self-Study during FAMU Faculty Pre-Planning
    Conference
    August 15, 1997
    Tallahassee, FL

    Panelist on “Minority Teachers: Increasing the Numbers
    Annual Meeting of Special Study Group on Historically Black
    Colleges and Universities of the American Association of Colleges of Teacher Education
    Atlanta Hilton & Towers
    Atlanta, GA
    February 28, 1991

    Presenter on “Getting Ready for College” for Florida Teacher Education for America’s
    Minorities Celebration of Teaching Recruitment Seminar
    Hyatt Regency Westshore
    Courtney Campbell Causeway
    Tampa, FL
    November 18, 1995

    PLAQUES AWARDED :

    Outstanding Service As Chairperson of Florida African-American Student Association Advisory Board.

    Outstanding Leadership During SACS Self-Study Reaffirmation of Accreditation of Florida A&M University of by SACS (1988).

    Florida A&M University Pride Award (1988).

    Outstanding Education (1985 - Florida A&M University Chapter of Phi Delta Kappa (1985).

    National Oak Park High School Alumni Association for Outstanding Accomplishments in Education (Laurel, MS (1984).

    Southern Regional Association of Teacher Educators for Outstanding Service as President
    (1974-75).

    The Negro Educational Review for Meritorious Service (1979).

    Florida Unit, Association of Teacher Educators for Service with Distinction and Dedication
    (1972-73).

    African American Culture Society, St. Petersburg Junior College at Clearwater, Florida
    (1984).

    Concerned Black Educators in Higher Education in Florida (1981).

    Florida Teaching Profession National Education Association in Recognition of Outstanding Service to Education as FTP-NEA Board of Directors (1983-85).

    SELECTED MEMBERSHIP IN PROFESSIONAL ORGANIZATIONS :

    Association of Teacher Educators

    Association for Supervision and Curriculum Development

    Phi Delta Kappa

    United Faculty of Florida

    Florida Teaching Profession-National Education Association

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  33. Isn't it funny that "unsilent majority" blasts those who post anonymously on this blog while he/she remains anonymous.

    You can't have it both ways.

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  34. Unsilent Majority, are you one of those blind sheep who follows Bryant uncritically and accuses anyone who challenges them of misogyny?

    If so, then your actions are an insult to Mary McLeod Bethune and all the other women who actually managed colleges in a competent manner. Bryant is no Bethune. She is has rolled back decades of progress at the nation's largest single campus HBCU.

    There is no way to try and blame all this on black men, as many of Bryant's supporters try to do.

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  35. The Unsilent Majority said...Anonymous: Please post your credentials...don't hide behind Dr. Mercer's. 8/02/2006 1:55 PM

    dahhhh...., I believe the poster put that info out there to compare Dr. Mercer's experience/credentials against the experience/credentials you posted for Dr. Hobbs.

    This definitely helps to compare who on paperwork is most qualified to get the job done as a SACS leader.

    Please post any info you might have on Dr. Hobbs' experience working with SACS in the past.

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  36. It is so disheartening to see that we have become complacent and comfortable with "business as usual," especially when that business is flawed. We need to move away from accepting "that's the way we've always done it" as a rule of thumb. In order to build institution, one must strengthen the methods in place to support those instiutions. Knowledge of an organization or a process mustn't rest solely in any one individual. People shouldn't covet their positions as if they are the sole owners of them. They should train those who would follow in their footsteps, so that we are not reinventing the wheel but taking advantage of the groundwork that has been lain. i don't know how many times I have tried to get something accomplished on campus and been met with the excuse that "The person who does that isn't in." What happens if she isn't here on the day of the SACS visit and information is needed. Intellectual property is a benefit, but only if a legacy of its purpose is left on record.

    Rest assured, I am not down-playing Dr. Mercer's credentials or his accomplishments at the University, but Dr. Mercer is in his 80's. This was certainly not a position he would have held forever. And it would have been in the best interest of the University as a whole if he had been kind enough to support the passing of the baton. But just as I acknowledge Dr. Mercer's credentials, I wish too that the people supporting his legacy would not be so ignorant to ignore those of administrators like Hobbs, Bryant and Austin.

    YOU CANNOT BE A HYPOCRITE AND SAY THAT ITS OKAY TO CONSIDER VARIED EXPERIENCES WHEN JUDGING FACULTY CREDENTIALS BUT NOT DO THE SAME FOR UNIQUE ADMINISTRATIVE ROLES.

    These are not excuses by any stretch of the imagination, mind you. I just think at this point in the discussion, there should be a move to want to accomplish more than finger pointing and backbiting. We all seem to have a passion for this University and a desire to see it succeed. Yet, however deep passions may run, they should never infringe upon one's ability to state her argument without personal attacks, non-sequitor logic and unfounded opinion passing as fact.

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  37. The Unsilent Majority said...

    It is a fact that Vivian Hobbs' credentials were lacking. Please speak to the university and ask them to make/find her lost tenure application and make it available for public review.

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  38. >>>1. Show me where there is any data that college administrators promoted from community colleges are more flawed than those who have always worked on a 4 year campus.<<<

    Community college level administration IS NOT the same as university level administration. JUCO administrators are not trained to supervise graduate education or research programs -- the very activities that make a university.

    The community college level is below FAMU. If you told a community college administrator that his or her job is no different from that of a high school principal, then that person would be rightfully insulted. High school education is below community college education. And likewise, community college education is below the university level. It is an insult to say that community college administrative experience is an adequate prerequisite for leading FAMU.

    >>>2. Show me where it is a requirement to have SACS experience to lead SACS or any other program.<<<

    There is no minimum experience requirement. The simple questions that need to be asked are: "Should the reaffirmation process be placed in the hands of someone who needs on-the-job training? And, are the people who replaced Mercer and Robinson as good or better than them?"

    The clear answer to both questions is NO!

    >>>3.Show me your proof that FAMU passed the 1998 reaccreditation with flying colors as has been suggested here, or that there were no problems cited by the SACS committee.<<<

    FAMU's SACS documents from 1998 are a public record. You can actually find them in Coleman Library.

    The SACS review from 1998 did cite areas for improvement. However, FAMU's reaffirmation was granted unconditionally. When SACS grants conditional reaffirmation, it issues either a warning or probation penalty. This did not happen to FAMU. Check the documents. It's all in there.

    >>>3. Show me proof that the 2008 changes for FAMU SACS were ready under the prior leadership, which may strengthen your argument that change was not needed.<<<

    FAMU was ready for the 2008 SACS reaffirmation process. Mercer and Robinson had assembled all the committees and were drafting all the necessary reports to ensure compliance. When Bryant came in, she trashed the work of that Mercer and Robinson had started and started the process over again. Then, she falsely stated in the media that the Gainous administration had done nothing to meet the reaffirmation requirements.

    I for one, don't have the documents from the previous SACS committee. You might want to find them on campus by asking someone who was involved in that group.

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  39. >>>YOU CANNOT BE A HYPOCRITE AND SAY THAT ITS OKAY TO CONSIDER VARIED EXPERIENCES WHEN JUDGING FACULTY CREDENTIALS BUT NOT DO THE SAME FOR UNIQUE ADMINISTRATIVE ROLES.<<<<

    You are comparing apples to oranges. The faculty credentials evaluation question is a legal issue. Bryant claims that graduate education is the only way for faculty to qualify to teach courses. That is absolutely false according the standards that are set by our accrediting body. Professional experience and research can also qualify an individual for teaching in a specific academic discipline.

    State law and SACS do not set minimum qualifications for university presidents. The simple point that I'm making is that community college experience is not comprable to university level experience.

    That's just as insulting and irresponsible as saying that there is no difference between community college administration and high school administration. One level is beneath the other. They are not the same.

    >>>Also, I find it curious that FSU president TK Wetherell's only administrative experience was at a community college, but no one in the media or on blogs questions his credentials. Nor Frank Brogan, whose experience, other than being governor, was as a high school teacher before being appointed president of FAU.<<<

    Please don't even try to compare Bryant with T.K. FSU would have hired T.K. even if he hadn't spent one day at TCC.

    T.K. (former speaker of the Florida House) is a political powerhouse and major fundraiser. The same goes for Frank Brogan (who was previously lieutenant governor and Florida's Secretary of Education).

    When T.K. came into office, he started a multimillion dollar capital campaign, snatched up the Civic Center, and garnered millions more in legislative appropriations. Brogran has accomplished similar goals at FAU.

    Also, when T.K. and Brogan came into office, they relied on strong provosts with university-level administration experience.

    Bryant is not even a minimal political force in the state of Florida. Furthermore, her fundraising experience is nill.

    And lastly, Bryant did not rely on a provost with university-level administration experience. She hired Debra Austin, another JUCO administrator who has no training in supervising graduate education, research programs, university reaffirmation processes, or university athletes.

    This is FAMU. Not TRAIN-U. FAMU's senior administrative offices are positions for seasoned experienced professionals. They are not internships.

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  40. >>>I was a student then and I remember every one being scared that Dr. Humphries was being brought in to let FSU take over FAMU just like TSU became an HBCU with a majority white population under his watch.<<<

    TSU did not become a majority white institution under Dr. Humphries. And today, TSU is STILL a majority black college.

    Under Humphries, TSU acquired the campus and students of a small majority white college in Nashville. However, Humphries was adamant that about TSU remaining majority black and was true to his word.

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  41. Unsilent Majority,

    You are a fool. Dr. Hobbs has NO experience working with SACS. It's like hiring a high school math teacher to complete Sarabanes Oxley requirements for a public corporation. That doesn't make any sense. Dr. Austin hasn't even been a permanent president of a community college. She is a joke in Tallahassee. There's a reason why she isn't the Chancellor of the state university system anymore, and it's not because she wanted a new job.

    You also keep saying Dr. Bryant is doing so much good stuff, well what are they? Can you name 5 things?

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  42. You know what happened to the lines ib financial aid? They are in the food stamp lines and in the workplace. Not in class, making noey to pay for housing just to eventually end up out of school for a while. That is what happened to the lines. You can say what you want, but the students are really taking a beating. Who knew that the student can be affected so quickly by this administration. But if you have really been paying attention all along, this PLAN has been playing out for years. Remember the tier program? The lines are at OTHER schools. Accross the tracks and in places like Daytona and Orlando or Miami and Palm Beach. You know most people have to love the school to come here anyway. Those cities have schools too. And they SUPPORT them too. She's fixed FAMU alright. Fixed us on a course opposite our mission.

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  43. Ken Tague, Interim FA Director, has been much maligned by many FAMU bloggers. It is time to set the record straight.

    Other FA Directors left Mr. Tague with a non-functional department that had been the results of years of neglect.

    No secrets here--years of corruption by corrupt leaders who did not supervise staff with poor customer service skills. Pointing fingers of blame seems to be the name of the game at FAMU to detract attention from themselves.

    Fact: Ken Tague resigned after observing this behavior--he was not fired as many have been led to believe by this blog but resigned with regret.

    Fact: Ken Tague is racially diverse, aka as white American male. Reverse discrimination seems to be the easiest way to solve a complicated problem than needs addressing ASAP.

    Fact: Ken Tague is a professional, who has had experience in University level Financial Aid Offices as a Director. I have also received awards at all these prior positions. FAU, BCC and others to name a few. An Excellence Award from MDCC, Dr. Bryant's prior long term position.

    Fact: Ken Tague is an attorney licensed for 13 years in two states including Florida, Not exactly uninformed about Federal regulations.

    Fact: The State Auditors Office met with me for over an hour to discuss my resignation. It seems that I am not the only person who has concern about fiscal responsibility at FAMU. But is a sad and tragic story of a University gone bad.

    With that said, please be advised that your anonymous blogs can be traced with the rest of the world living in a high tech environment. I hope FAMU can live up to its much acclaimed and much maligned reputation. In other words, putting misrepresentations in words can do harm and damages that can be recovered personally from you. Something to keep in mind when you question facts you have no first hand knowledge of.

    If it continues, I will endeavor to close these defamatory remarks down. I will use the legal system to do it. Not a rumor mill that this blog thrives off of.

    Best of wishes to FAMU and best of wishes to all to think before you speak.

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