Florida A&M University was placed on probation by its accreditation committee because committee members were inundated with serious allegations against the university, Chief Operating Officer Larry Robinson said Monday.
Robinson disclosed that fact during an emergency meeting with faculty and staff and shared the same information with students at a separate meeting.
"It got to the point they felt compelled to ask the university what's going on," Robinson said about the number of complaints the accreditation committee members received
Continue reading: Complaints led to FAMU scrutiny
Are these "administrators" smoking something wacky?
ReplyDelete"Your degree is just as valuable if you get it in August as it was three years ago," Robinson said, according to the Tallahassee Democrat.
Which degree is still so valuable? Do they know what it's like to literally watch someone snicker at your law degree? Do they really believe the ABA is now going to hand the law school full accreditation when main campus is on probation? Do they have any idea what it is like mentally for students facing a bar exam in four weeks in a sea of other VERY CONFIDENT students who look at our students like nothing? FAMU had better stop playing games. This is serious and the word games and mind games do not advance our cause.
FAMU stresses unity as way to fix faults
Without improvements, the college faces losing its accreditation.
By STEVE BOUSQUET
Published June 26, 2007
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TALLAHASSEE - Days after Florida A&M University was placed on probation because of chronic management problems, several hundred faculty members and students received assurances from a school official Monday that FAMU would survive "this very sensitive time."
The Southern Association of Colleges and Schools' SACS Commission on Colleges last Thursday placed FAMU on six months' probation after finding that the school has fallen short in 10 areas of financial management, leadership, and oversight of research and resources.
If those problems are not fixed, FAMU could lose its accreditation, meaning students at Florida's only historically black public university would not be eligible for federal financial aid.
A message of unity and hope by FAMU's acting chief executive, Dr. Larry Robinson, was well-received by a standing-room-only crowd of more than 500 faculty and staff members.
"No matter what SACS says, you're still here," Robinson told the crowd, as it broke into applause. "I've never, other than at a football game, seen this many of us in one place.
"It tells me you know how serious this matter is and you're ready to work," he said.
The faculty gathering packed the FAMU's pharmacy auditorium and several dozen overflowed into a separate room.
Robinson explained a series of upcoming deadlines, including a SACS team visit to the Tallahassee campus in September, which he said would enable FAMU to respond swiftly to the 10 problems cited.
He also said SACS has been inundated with "negatives" about the university through faxes, e-mails and letters.
Robinson noted that SACS could have issued FAMU a warning before putting the school on probation, but didn't -- and that SACS' decision came after FAMU provided its two most recent financial statements and responses to a state audit.
At a later meeting with more than 100 students, Robinson fielded several questions about whether the probation would affect undergraduate or graduate degrees.
"Your degree is just as valuable if you get it in August as it was three years ago," Robinson said, according to the Tallahassee Democrat.
But if FAMU loses accreditation, it would jeopardize students working toward a degree.
Merri Scott, a 22-year-old biology student, remained concerned after the meeting.
"Did you hear what he said?" she asked her friends, the Democrat reported. "If we lose accreditation my 120 credit hours will be for nothing."
If FAMU faculty members were angry or worried about the school's plight, there was little evidence of that Monday.
The well-liked Robinson, with a positive, reassuring demeanor, several times drew laughter from the audience.
He also pointedly resisted an opportunity posed by one questioner to point fingers at those responsible for FAMU's difficulties.
When Dr. Lekan Latinwo, chairman of FAMU's biology department, asked about possible layoffs, Robinson said: "It's premature for anybody in this room to start worrying about losing your job. We need you to be working harder than ever."
Clyde Ashley, a tenured associate professor in the school of business who has taught at FAMU for 20 years, said: "I think Dr. Robinson set a great tone to allay some of the fears. We have to be unified, and we have to work together."
Tracy Jones, an English instructor who has taught at FAMU since 1989, said she had no doubt that the university would survive.
"I think we'll pull together," Jones said. "It may lose some programs, but it will never shut down."
Times staff writer Ron Matus and researcher Mary Mellstrom contributed to this report. Steve Bousquet can be reached at bousquet@sptimes.com or (850) 224-7263.
These are the Southern Association Colleges and Schools' accrediting standards that FAMU failed to meet:
- The board is an active policymaking body for the institution and is ultimately responsible for ensuring that the financial resources of the institution are adequate to provide a sound educational program.
- The institution has a sound financial base and demonstrated financial stability.
- Has qualified administrative and academic officers.
- Recent financial history demonstrates financial stability.
- Provides financial profile information on an annual basis and other measures of financial health as requested by the commission.
- Audits financial aid programs as required.
- Exercises appropriate control over all its financial resources.
- Maintains financial control over externally funded or sponsored research and programs.
- Exercises appropriate control over all its physical resources.
- Is in compliance with its program responsibilities under Title IV of the 1998 Higher Education Amendments.
Source: SACS, www.sacscoc.org
HELP!! Lundy Langston is the Associate Dean of Academic Affairs at the COL! What is going on the head of the ID? Who is gonna stop this hoochie/baby mama with a JD? Could we get rid of this Looney Lundy she's bringin down the COL in one fell swoop!
ReplyDelete""Tracy Jones, an English instructor who has taught at FAMU since 1989, said she had no doubt that the university would survive.
ReplyDelete"I think we'll pull together," Jones said. "It may lose some programs, but it will never shut down."""
That is what's happening to Clark Atlanta right now, is that what you want Tracy? This kind of thinking is part of the problem. People have no problem watching the school go to hell as long as the school still exists in some form.
The students and faculty would be smart to start reviewing their options now. Don't pull the trigger, but be ready "in the event..."
We all hope Ammons can get-r-done, but be proactive about your life and think with your head, not with your heart. Sucks, but it's real.
Langston was chosen for her "expertise". "Expertise" at what? Lying on her back for a job, a child support check, a promotion? That HO WITH A JD ain' never done anything academic. She cheated, slept & schemed. Her baby daddy had better get a blood test for that boy (she has a penchant for discussing Artificial Inseminaton in FAM LAW) She is a disservice to the legal profession. She ain' wrote nothing worth reading since her last hook up w/ that Lat Crit group in '99. Her article is disjointed & juxtaposed in a symposium publication. It was the 3rd colloquium - so you know what that means- they were desperate for presenters. But she had an introduction into this circle of legal intellects from her baby daddy. Check out what she wrote in the SO-CALLED article (pun intended) that appeared in a COMPARATIVE LAW JOURNAL:
ReplyDelete"If you find my cultural, ethnic discussion utilizing Latinos and Hispanics as disjointed, bear in mind as an American of African descent I may not be in a position to have accurate observations of the personal nature of marriage and family within this/these groups."
First, Latinos & Hispanics- ain' that redundancy sort of like Blacks $ African Americans?
Did this Hoochie w/a JD realize that she was writing for a COMPARATIVE LAW JOURNAL? Wasn't the colloquim about LEGAL COMPARISONS?
Well at least she admits that she has DISJOINTED DISCUSSIONS! FAMU we got to stop this mess!
I can't comment on Langston, I don't know enough about her...Hispanic means Spanish Speaking--so Spaniards, Mexicans, etc. (technically if you can speak spanish you are Hispanic) Latino generally refers to people of Latin American origin and does not include Spainards. Many Mexicans do not consider themselves to be Latino but Chicano instead and many Brazilians consider themselved Latinos and don't speak Spanish.
ReplyDeleteAnon @ 6/26/2007 10:02 AM
ReplyDeleteLangston that you? Shouldn't you be doing some Assoc. Dean stuff? Why you tryin to defend yourself incognito? Scared that your 20 year cover as an educated woman has been blown? You know that you can't think intellectually. You can regurgitate information real good but a SCHOLAR YOU AIN'T. Girl you know that you belong behind the keyboard as a secretary. You been playing lawyer long enough.
FAM Law is well on the way to never being accredited. What amazes me is that we fight to keep the Engineering school but we are content to have incompetent faculty and administrators at FAM Law. I think it will be far more embarassing to have our law school NEVER be acredited than to hand Engineering over to FSU. We are on that path. There is no positive news at the law school, and the ABA has just stepped up the bar passage standard a notch to virtually guarantee that FAMU will never be accredited.
ReplyDeleteThis is silly and would be funny if the assoc dean had indeed written this. I don't know Langston. I guess I shouldn't have posted as anonymous. I am a social studies teacher and this is an exercise I go through with my students; I like them to understand the terms and words they use.
ReplyDelete10:02 AM
Here's the new ABA accreditation standard: http://www.abanet.org/legaled/standards/Proposed%20Standards%20Commentary/Prop%20New%20Int%20301-6_June192007.pdf.
ReplyDeleteFAMU law school will never make it, folks.
The SP Times & Democrat need to read some of the SO-CALLED articles written by the new SO-CALLED Assoc. Dean of ACADEMIC AFFAIRS. Why put her over academics? There had to be something else she could do. This is horrible. The good profs must be pissed off at this travesty.
ReplyDeleteThe newspapers need to take a good look at these direct quotes from the esteemed assoc. dean's articles. VD ain' the only silly ho at the COL:
"THEY SHOULD NOT HAVE SIMPLY PACKED UP, WITH A WAVE TO THE PEOPLE, AND LEFT. They should have done something."
Academician you say?
"We have watched, night after night, footage of the plight of the citizens in New Orleans in the wake of Hurricane Katrina. We have watched some of them wait three or four days without food and water. We have watched some of them witness people dying all around them ... not knowing if they would be next. We watched their horror when it appeared that no one was coming to help.
Redundancy?
"There are however general notions of why people marry. People marry because they are in love with each other; because one person is in love with the other; because one individual may feel it is the right thing to do; because the woman (and sometimes girl) is pregnant; because the marriage was prearranged; in order to receive various state and or federal benefits, such as taxes n16; or for companionship."
Langston might need a little remediation in punctuation and sentence structure.
Back to her highly regarded Hurricane Katrina article:
"We listened on the radio. We clicked on our computers. But they watched from a front-row seat."
It's hard to believe that she EARNED a law degree. And now she's in charge of the academics at the COL. Come on! Somebody help!
Ok, ok, ok....we get it. You are upset about the situation at the COL and you should be. But you don't have to berate the professor like that. Trust and believe that Dr. Ammons will take care of the matters at the law school just like he did at Central Law. You have allowed Langston to poison your mind. Let it go!
ReplyDeleteThey are a day late and a dollar short. In fact, they insulted intelligent students far too long to now ask up to step up. Students have been stepping up. Many of us did everything ethically and procedurally possible to try to bring attention to the plight at the law school as far back as 2003. NO ONE LISTENED. Don't invite us to get on your titanic now, we are busy trying to salvage our reputation by association with FAMU.
ReplyDeleteWe love our school and we respect those graduates of the 50s and 60s who believed in fighting for a future.
If you change the oil on a car with a bad transmission, you'll still have a brokedown mess. Until this house is cleaned from top down nothing will change.
The SACS pointed out the financial aid audit as one of the messes. Do you know how long they have had to straighten that mess out? Yet, not only did they choose to play with their accrediting agency, they played with federal dollars (Only BUSH is allowed to do that) and they're going to lose that war.
FAMU administrators need to step up. The graduates of the law school who have endured and still care are watching. They really, really, really, DO NOT want us to action before they do.
I'll write it again.
ReplyDeleteIt would be a GREAT idea for Dr. Ammons to get mystery callers and visitors to test ALL departments within FAMU campus. He will learn a lot. Talking about unprofessionalism, bad attitudes, and noncaring rude and always to busy to help anybody people. I have seen staff look at the caller ID and say, I’m so tired of her/him calling. Also, I have seen them put callers on hold to answer a long lasting personal call. We must stop pointing fingers and look at ourselves. I often hear people talk bad about FAMU, but the people I hear talking bad are the ones that do not do their job. One department he must stop is Hr. If one calls HR they will hear a messages of this nature "she/he is on do not disturb (what does that mean), she/he cannot receive calls at this time, and the list goes on. Business should not be handled this way. I haven’t been on an interview that did not ask about multi-tasking? Also, running people down to do their jobs should not be taking place. Leaving phone messages and sending emails about 5 or more times regarding the same problem/issue should not be taking place from no department on FAMU campus. Go to or call some of the same departments on FSU or TCC campus (the atmosphere and level of service is totally different). Some of the top people cannot and do not know how to write a simple report. But treats their staff like they are the dumb ones. I often ask myself how did they get a PHD. Some people jobs at FAMU is going to meetings and out of town to bring back nothing to support the university—this to must come to pass. Many of them think that they are getting by, but by and by all good things must and will come to end. Dr. Ammons I wish you success and you will definitely have my prayers and support. We cry about needing our jobs, but if we are causing the university more hurt than harm…get rid of them
Tisha
ReplyDeleteI understand your position because for the same reasons Black & African American aren't synonymous. The assoc. dean has a problem with redundancy. Since you are a soc. studies teacher you would probably cringe at her failed attempts at intellectual discussion of social policy. Just google Lundy Langston & read some of the articles. I think that your students have a better grip on worldly matters. You'll be pissed off that she has ascended to the office of ACADEMIC DEAN @ the COL.
Opinion I head lately is very anti-FAMU. Consider this S. Florida op/ed: http://www.palmbeachpost.com/opinion/content/opinion/epaper/2007/06/21/a14a_famu_edit_0621.html. More state intervention is almost certain to occur. Don't be surprised to see engineering stripped from FAMU and proposals to move law to UCF. There is a clear sense that FAMU is not capable of managing itself, and fear that Ammons is too much of an insider with connections to the past to really do anything significant about it. Go ahead Al Lawson cronies and rail on me. I am just reporting what I hear in S. Florida political circles. Al Lawson is not going to be able to stop the train that is leaving the station to strip FAMU of any questionable programs.
ReplyDeleteAre we talking about the same HR at FAM? I am an employee at FAM and I have had NO problems with HR. No I do not work at HR but I work with them and had to contact them for personal matters with my employment. They are professional and no they never kept me on hold forever or anything like that. And they always returned my calls and emails.
ReplyDeleteThank God SACS was willing to do what the Legislature and Board of Governors would not. FAMU must now act, not just saw it needs a chance, wait for Ammons and that kind of BS. Fix your flawed management system, fire corrupt employees, and focus your efforts on your core mission or close your doors completely. You ave no business operating programs like a law or engineering school if you cannot manage basic undergrduate education.
ReplyDeleteRe Langston
ReplyDeleteLet me get this straight;Witherspoon awoke form her stupor and decided to do some deanin'by appointin'some folks moments before she gets nuked from her seat warmin' in the dean's office? Me thinks she is trying to save her own job prospects when deanin' is done..it is too late. It is a little late to address ABA issues as well, Witherspoon must be held accountable she has toasted a number of "hires" and is more concerned that people think she's in her office by planting a car in her parking space when she's out masquerading as a dean. Is anyone going to notice the harm she has inflicted in the last several months - really, isn't it ok to ask? It is not like she is the Queen and cannot be addressed directly - nor does she have any claim on infalibility. Is Ammons just going to say oh well, we have to move on?
Lack of accountability only ever encourages incompetent and outright bad behavior. But the failure to hold people accountable is a clear acceptance and approval of that behavior and the resulting harm inflicted. It is neither tacit nor implied - it is a clear acceptance and approval. Ammons cannot pretend not to notice - he must be accountable as well. If there is a new day in front of this university then start doing the right thing Dr. Ammons. Put the best people in place - not by default but by intelligence, competence and qualification. Demand the best of them and of yourself. Show it by making a clear statement and following through with the necessary appointments.
Recent events at the law school are only a small part of the bigger picture of many university wide 'issues' but they cannot be ignored while you allow a failed process to subvert any effort to move things in the right direction. If you are unable to make decisions and take definitive action now them maybe NC will take you back.
The majority of the faculty at COL is good but there are people in power who have no business in their positions. Seriously would you want your work to be evaluated by superiors who are ignorant of basic GRAMMAR RULES? It serves for low morale among those in the COL who are competent and productive. There are only a handful of bad apples. It is a easy task b/c they have all been put on blast on RN.
ReplyDeleteDefault or not. Lundy Langston has no business "acting" in any capacity. This is a critical moment of FAMU COL. How do you attract smart and qualified profs when the academic dean's academic reputation is a joke? All of her "publications" are symposium or workshops. Reading them are a chore. It's been 5 years, could we stop playing law school? Professional lives of African Americans are on the line.
ReplyDeleteThe law school did not just reach critical. Fingers are and will be pointed and heads may roll, but the students have already been damaged. FAMU is accountable to the City, State and Federal governments/agencies.
ReplyDeleteHow can you teach ethical standards and professionalism if you have none yourself. The law school has had a groupie mentality that penalized staff and students who did not go along to get along.
They may have thought they were harming Dean Luney, but all they did was expose the real tragedy that was occurring behind the scenes..preventing hires? firing arbitrarily? false accusations against co-workers? threatening students' grades and records with the power of their "office" if the student made valid complaints? Allowing unqualified students to work on confidential student records while still in school and releasing said confidential information?
We may have held our tongues about the unfairness, injustices and outright illegalities, but we are by no means stupid...neither is the ABA, the Federal Government or the SACS.
Sadly COL Students are the victims here. Just look at what they said on Rate My Professor. It's like some classes are DIY. Six figures should motivate these people to do better. This is how the top academic administrator was rated in her class:
ReplyDeleteredundent, monotonal, over enunciates, 30 explanations for 1 point, useless discussions. read the book & try learning on your own. she makes an attempt to project that she is a deliberate & thorough thinking prof but its all a farce. terminology in this subject is important. read the outlines & try to understand the casebook on your own.
"Try to understand the casebook on your own" What?Law school should not be a 3-year glorified BarBri course.
How many of you so called experts on Ms. Lajngston have ever taken time to share your concerns with her face-to-face or with the school's dean??? If you are gonna talk about her, tell it to her face...
ReplyDeleteSome deans and faculty made themselves available to students while on the job and off. You will never hear complaints about those because they went above and beyond in a bad situation. The ones you will hear complaints about are those who NEVER had time for students, no matter when you tried to access them or how you tried to follow the rules set in place for an appointment or how much you complied with the so-called student handbook.
ReplyDeleteThis is getting worse by the minute. I wonder what we'd find out went has gone down just this afternoon. Has Witherspoon hired/fired any more friends and enemies in the last 30 minutes? Is she still hiding and not taking calls from T land? She needs to be removed without ceremony just as Castel was - swiftly to prevent any damage in the coming days before Ammens can actually fire her. She has to be stopped - can anyone get this to Ammens? How can he know what is going on minute by minute if we don't sound the alarms. What is the best way to get this to him or SOMEONE who has the authority to act?
ReplyDeleteI am serious, we can't sit idly by and watch as she and her newest friends destroy what IS left of the SOL. When the ABA asks well. what did YOU DO about the havoc? What exactly will be the answer...Lundy: "I tried to take control but...."
Is anyone listening? Help!! Do something now!!!
If anyone stopped to connect the dots, you will notice that Lundy Langston sits in the middle of every mess. From the day she set foot in Orlando!
ReplyDeleteAnon @ 1:43 PM
ReplyDeleteHow many of you so called experts on Ms. Lajngston have ever taken time to share your concerns with her face-to-face or with the school's dean??? If you are gonna talk about her, tell it to her face...
Tell it to her face? That's spoken just like a Hoochie. There's no need to waste words on an arrogant fool. Like so many of the administration and directors at the COL, she is incompetent. But instead of sitting quietly in a corner & collect a 6 figure check, she is a brazen **uzzy, wielding power!
TO: 6/26/2007 5:44 PM
ReplyDeleteThat "city council dude", was he the mayor of Orlando for a hot minute?
I think part of the problem at the law school is that it is not in Tallahassee. Out of sight, out of mind. Sort of like a grown step-child who lives away from the main family (say, Orlando, for instance) versus a (blood) child who is right here (say, in Tallahassee) and everyone in the family has immediate access to her and can really keep tabs on her every move and intervenes whenever some egregious happens. FAMU's College of Law has become, unfortunately, the uiversity's academic step-child. Every now and then, it (as a distant step-child) may get thrown a courtesy bone or two, but the much-seen child always gets the attention and the good stuff.
ReplyDeleteFree advice to criminals...when you're close to being caught trying to scare potential witnesses, cover your tracks and destroy evidence only show how nervous you are and makes you look guilty.
ReplyDeleteManipulation by fear works temporarily, however, the ABA, SCAS and government agencies who are looking for an accounting and qualifications will not bow to fear.
It's amazing that so many people who have taken money for doing nothing (known to working people as a paycheck) are digging their heels in instead of running out of the state.
This drama will be truly ugly. FAMU laundry is about to hit a stinky cycle.
Speaking on HR. FAMU has gotten rid of great employees in HR, but at the same time they have hired excellent employees in the last past months. One of the guys they got rid of was so helpful and went above and beyond to help employees especially if they new to the university.
ReplyDeleteFAMU has an excellent Purchasing department. All of Purchasing staff is willing to help, no matter when you call.
Staff and students gets upset will Parking, but noone can say do not work, because the ticketing and boots speaks for them.
I see FAMU being #1.
For as the College of Law, I do not know the lady everyone is lowrating. But I do not the second most important commandment. Also, if your brother offends you in anyway, go to them and discuss the matter with them first.
If we take time to worry about ourselves, we will not be able to find enough time to worry about others.
No the city council dude was not mayor for a minute. Name begins with an S.
ReplyDeleteRe Lundy; think Anne Coulter of SOL. Hates everyone and spews hatred only to make sure not one single junior faculty ever has the chance to write/publish/teach/excel in any way that might make her look a little shakey. That is why she "protects" loooser Dawson - definitely not a threat. Even worse she is sneaky about it - like using rumor bombs in meetings. just ask the folks at her last school, start with that dean. Can you imagine what she is going to unleash on students as assoc dean? Compassion? Reasonableness? Fasten your seat belts it is going to be a bumpppy ride. Unless of course the next dean nukes her before she gets a whack at it. One can only hope.
Back to Witherspoon - has she lost it with the hire and fire routine. I feel bad for the people she keeps hiring and having to let go...how many wrongful terminations broken contracts are we paying for so far? What has happened on those 'issues'?
Kyle Washington got the fire that FAMU students need.
ReplyDeleteThe game is being set to pull the race card. Unfortunately for all the players, the "man" you plan to blame made sure all the players in the game were black.
ReplyDeleteThis web of deceit just keeps spinning tighter and tighter. Go ahead and bring in more crooked politicians and their associates. The game will get more interesting as the students suffer the consequences.
Hey, but who cares? Right?
Lots of backs being rubbed and scratched. NCCU ties seem to be binding some people who need to go.
ReplyDeleteFAMU has an excellent Purchasing department. All of Purchasing staff is willing to help, no matter when you call.
ReplyDeleteBuddy Bakker are you smoking "Meth"? FAMU's purchasing department under your watch is a joke. Just how many consulting contracts have you signed off on for Castell? Say somewhere around $40M?
This is what happens when the university is run by a bunch of incompetents. The purchasing director doesn't have a high school diploma, let along a college degree.
"Also, if your brother offends you in anyway, go to them and discuss the matter with them first.
ReplyDeleteIf we take time to worry about ourselves, we will not be able to find enough time to worry about others."
Whoever wrote this hit the nail on the head!!!
What is even more frightening is that whoever is writing these things against Prof. Langston has forgotten that the constitution guarantees the right to confront your accuser.
On another note, I would like to see this blog develop more real journalism, like contacting the people that are being criticized to interview and get opposing viewpoints. One thing that separates the Capital Outlook from this blog is that Prof. Wilson and all of his writers at least seek the opposing viewpoint. I have read "Da Rattler" words that he tried to contact people in the past to get their point of view, and I believe him/her. But what person is going to respond to an interview request from someone using a nickname? Open this thing up and let's have some real debate here instead of the type of attacks about Lundy and other's personal lives. (Which continues to baffle me because how does this obviously jaded student/staff member at the College of Law know the personal business of this lady? Makes you wonder what SHE is doing? Advice, if you are a student, keep your mind focused on your studies so that you can pass the Bar and make a difference, not sit on the sidelines talking jibberish...
Let's see...FAMU has a media relations department and knows how to issue press releases. So, why doesn't FAMU just put out what it believe to be its own facts, its own opposing view. FAMU has enough money to defend itself, if it can find it.
ReplyDeleteAnyone who's worked in any office knows that personal lives don't come into play unless it is put in play. I'm sure there are several wonderful hardworking professors whose names we never hear because they have not put their personal lives in play or inappropriately interacted with students or colleagues.
All of this is extremely unfortunate. Stifling the freedom of press will not resolve the problems at FAMU.
What is even more frightening is that whoever is writing these things against Prof. Langston has forgotten that the constitution guarantees the right to confront your accuser.
ReplyDeleteAnd with arguments like this you must go to FAMU's law school. 1) Where is the state action? 2) Is this a criminal proceeding? There is no constitutional guarantee of confrontation on discussion boards, idiot.
Anonymous at 11:48 am:
ReplyDeleteMy comments about the sixth amendment were hyperbolic, not literal. Learn to think---you idiot...
Anonymous at 11:48
ReplyDeleteP.S.
Quit trying to demean the quality of education at FAMU COL. Some outstanding students have graduated from there over the past few years despite the problems that are being discussed on this board. Be a part of the solution, not the problem....
What is even more frightening is that whoever is writing these things against Prof. Langston has forgotten that the constitution guarantees the right to confront your accuser.
ReplyDeleteExcuse me. I don't understand what is going on at the law school & I'm not defending the person who wrote all of the legal tidbits. But, it does concern me when the English language & its terminology is thrown around carelessly.
Hyperbole? Hyperbolic? Could you please indicate the exaggeration/excess in this statement?
I thought that hyperbole was an extravagant exaggeration like "foot in the mouth."
Jeez! Come on this is America. RN is a blog!
Some outstanding students have graduated from there over the past few years . . . .
ReplyDeleteAre you talking about the 50% who passed the bar or the other 50%????? I don't care about a "few" solid graduates. That's like saying FAMU doesn't have a problem because it has some distinguished alumni. So did Texas Southern. Our law school will never be accredited. Never, at the pace things are going.
8:06, I see that you are writing your comments anonymously. You just might want to start this open process by revealing WHO YOU ARE, first and foremost. Hello?
ReplyDeleteAbout HR:
ReplyDeleteGreenleaf and Vincent June screwed HR up when they got rid of the only guy and women in there who knew HR in and out. Grenleaf was intimidated by them and Vincent June wanted the him.
Leave the COL students alone!! We have enough to deal with without everybody else talking! We are fully aware of what this means. You aren't the one who has to deal with the consequences of having a degree from FAMU COL. Are you looking for a job and being granted interviews only to have interviewers snicker in your face at your explanation of the quality of your legal education, NO! Are you studying for the FL bar, NO! Do you have to deal with the pressure of knowing that if you don't pass the bar this time you may not be allowed to sit for the exam again, NO! So if you arent going to offer some of our graduates a leg up , connections, or a job, if not SHUT UP!!
ReplyDeleteClass of 2007
and by the way its 3 o'clock in the afternoon shouldn't you be working? Don't you have something better to do with your life?
I wonder does FSU OR UF has blog like this that puts all of their in house business on front street?
Leave the COL students alone!! We have enough to deal with without everybody else talking! We are fully aware of what this means. You aren't the one who has to deal with the consequences of having a degree from FAMU COL. Are you looking for a job and being granted interviews only to have interviewers snicker in your face at your explanation of the quality of your legal education, NO! Are you studying for the FL bar, NO! Do you have to deal with the pressure of knowing that if you don't pass the bar this time you may not be allowed to sit for the exam again, NO! So if you arent going to offer some of our graduates a leg up , connections, or a job, SHUT UP!!
ReplyDeleteClass of 2007
and by the way shouldn't you people be working? Don't you have something better to do with your life?
I wonder does FSU OR UF has blog like this that puts all of their in house business on front street?
Leave the COL students alone!! We have enough to deal with without everybody else talking! We are fully aware of what this means. You aren't the one who has to deal with the consequences of having a degree from FAMU COL. Are you looking for a job and being granted interviews only to have interviewers snicker in your face at your explanation of the quality of your legal education, NO! Are you studying for the FL bar, NO! Do you have to deal with the pressure of knowing that if you don't pass the bar this time you may not be allowed to sit for the exam again, NO! So if you arent going to offer some of our graduates a leg up , connections, or a job, SHUT UP!!
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and by the way shouldn't you people be working? Don't you have something better to do with your life?
I wonder does FSU OR UF has blog like this that puts all of their in house business on front street?
No, UF and FSU dont have these type of sites, even though things go wrong at those schools too. Only black folks hate each other so much to speak evil, true and untrue, out in public like this with the whole world reading and laughing at us. Invariably, some poor misguided soul will write in saying "If you dont like it dont come here to read it", which further proves the point that we are sick and in need of healing...
ReplyDeletePlease! FSU was tearing TK a new one during the COE crisis on warchants.com.
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ReplyDeleteI have read "Da Rattler" words that he tried to contact people in the past to get their point of view, and I believe him/her. But what person is going to respond to an interview request from someone using a nickname?
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Larry King's real name is Lawrence Harvey Ziegler, and he interviews world leaders. What's your point?
"Larry King's real name is Lawrence Harvey Ziegler, and he interviews world leaders. What's your point? "
ReplyDeleteThis may be the stupidest analogy of the week. Quit writing on the blog and get your ass back to work....