By a vote of 28-11, the Florida Senate backed a plan by Sen. Al Lawson to shift funding for the FAMU/FSU College of Engineering back to FAMU. Senators earlier this month had moved the CoEng.'s budget from FAMU to FSU.
More on that story here: Senate shift's Engineering money back to FAMU
Congratulations Sen. Lawson!! Job well done!!!
ReplyDeleteCongratulations to ALL Rattlers and supporters who contacted the politicians on behalf of FAMU.
ReplyDeleteRattlers will Strike, Strike, and Strike again. Let's keep the momentum going folks. We need folks to be involved in their alumni chapters. We need folks to give money and demand accountability. We need to root out these obstructionists like Cast-hell and Low Down Lowe, and get behind real sound fundamental leadership behind Dr. Ammons. This is war not a skirmish, we have more battles ahead.
ReplyDeleteThis is war not a skirmish, we have more battles ahead.
ReplyDeleteDamn right. According to the Pappas report, commissioned by the state-wide Board of Governors (who chair supports Castell and supported moving enginering from FAMU to FSU), they want to shut down every graduate program at FAMU and give it to FSU. We will not stand for that. We need to fight. By any means necessary.
Next FAMu should request its own colege of medicine. They shut down our hospital decades ago. Now they are establishing medical schools at FSU, UCF and FIU. There is no reason other than putting down the HBCU that FAMU is not getting its own medical school. FAMU needs a medical school. Maybe not in Tallahassee, but in Pensacola or Jacksonville.
ReplyDeleteIf FAMU administration really wants a medical school, which will be more fiscal accountability and ethical responsibility, they will have to show what they have done with the law school. As a FAMU Alum and supporter, I am tired of of watching all the hard work of the student get weighed down by the alleged incompetence of those responsible for running FAMU.
ReplyDeleteLynn then read into the record a statement from the Legislature's black caucus that pledged to provide quarterly updates to lawmakers on the university's status, put in place a comprehensive auditing procedure and acknowledged that if changes aren't made, the university would face dire consequences next year.
ReplyDeleteRepresentative Lynne needs to Go!!! She is holding FAMU to expectations and requirements that no other universityb in Florida is expected to meet. We have done nothing wrong. That nappy white ho must go!!!!
FAMU Medical School sounds right to me. Let's get back what the Legislature stole from us. Also, let's make the engineering school 100% FAMU. Get rid of FSU's association with engineering.
ReplyDeleteTo all the idiotic FAMU haters and FSU folks...I told ya'll we weren't gonna lose the Engineering School. Pick your grimey face off the hot asphalt T.K. Wetherall. I guess the powers at be think FAMU would do a better job than ya'll. LMAO!!!! Its great to be a FAMU Rattler.
ReplyDeletePick your grimey face off the hot asphalt T.K. Wetherall. I guess the powers at be think FAMU would do a better job than ya'll. LMAO!!!!
ReplyDeleteDamn right. Now make it 100% FAMU's and give FAMU a medical school. FSU is NEVER going to be an AAU member. It will always be a half-assed, mediocore N. Florida university, while FAMU is destined to be the greatest HBCU in the nation!!!! See what happens when you mess with a rattler TK?????
I sure hope that the rattler bit is fatal to a) TK Wetherell, b) Rep. Lynne, and c) members of the Florida Board of Governors that did not support us and that want to subject us to fiscal oversight. Don't mess with FAMU. God and the Florida legislature are on our side.
ReplyDeleteDr. Ammons indicated during his interview that he wants to push for a FAMU School of Dentistry. That, combined with Pharmacy and Allied Health, could set the foundation for more academic programs in the health sciences. It could also set the foundation for a Medical Center of some type at FAMU.
ReplyDeleteThe African American community definitely needs another research/ treatment center to focus on ailments such as AIDS that are killing us by the millions.
With a visionary in the big chair in Lee Hall, FAMU can do it.
We need to name a building on FAMU's campus for Al Lawson - maybe the new Teaching Gymnasium that he pushed through the legislature.
ReplyDeleteThe Alfred "Al" Lawson, Jr. Health Education Complex has a good ring to it. For years to come, students can say they're going to classes or sporting events at the Lawson building.
The word is that Jim Corbin is lobbying to get the new DRS building named after him. Corbin rigged a presidential search process for a woman sent our financial division to hell and tried to give away the damn E-School.
Corbin is not a hero like Lawson and does not deserve to be immortalized on our campus. There are plenty more FAMUans who are actually deserving of the DRS naming honor. We can't let the DRS building's name go to a traitor like Corbin.
On a previous thread (4/10/2007 5:21 PM) Anonymous said...
ReplyDelete7:26--When Dr. Ammons was provost at FAMU, that was a different thing. As president for six years at NCCU, that, too, is a different thing. Sure, he's "been here," of late, as a "visitor," and is listening to the people, but he's yet to assume the role. Visiting is not the same being in place and assuming the task for which you have been selected and are being paid. People "visit" places all the time, but visiting and living there are apples and oranges.
Those apples and oranges sure taste good today. It seems to me that Dr. Ammons has worked harder on behalf of FAMU (and been more successful) in the past 2 1/2 weeks than Dr. Bryant has in 2 1/2 years!
It seems to me that Dr. Ammons has worked harder on behalf of FAMU (and been more successful) in the past 2 1/2 weeks than Dr. Bryant has in 2 1/2 years!
ReplyDeleteMy friend, you really nailed it! I hope you submit that as a letter to the editor in one of the state newspapers or at least as a Zinger in the Tallahassee Democrat.
Really, at this point, Ammons is providing true presidential leadership to TWO universities at the same time.
FAMU should aspire to become an AAU university. At the rate we're going, we'll get there before FSU!!!!
ReplyDeleteI can see it now:
ReplyDeleteThe FAMU-UF College of Medicine.
Great idea!!!
FAMU should aspire to become an AAU university. At the rate we're going, we'll get there before FSU!!!!
ReplyDeleteMan, you are just trying to get it started in here. Someone already cut and paste my statement (4/11/2007 @ 4:01 PM) into the FSU warchant.com message board under Florida State State Academics --http://floridastate.rivals.com/forum.asp?sid=1061&fid=1085.
From some of the posts, they are nervous about FAMU expanding its academic and research programs in the Health Sciences.
FSU has started to read RN as much as FAMUans do!
And I agree with making FAMU an AAU institution. The Carnegie Foundation already classified us as Doctoral Research University. With our new president, the sky's the limit. I say lets go to the top!
I'm already budgeting out some extra funds to send over to the university foundation to help FAMU and Dr. Ammons out next year. Let's support our new president by trying to push our endowment up to at least $200M within the next 3 to 5 years.
The FAMU-UF College of Medicine
ReplyDeleteUF already has its own College of Medicine so its unlikely that it will simply hand over 50% of it to FAMU.
However, when Dr. Ammons was provost he did establish a cooperative Ph.D. program in Entomology (the scientific study of insects) with UF. We could partner with UF for more Ph.D. programs like this.
FAMU should try and develop more graduate programs in the natural and biological sciences. That could help set the foundation for FAMU to have a School of Veterinary Medicine like UF does.
With FAMU's land grant status, we have a great opportunity to develop more graduate programs in the area of agriculture.
ReplyDeleteAnd speaking of academic expansion, let's not forget Middle Eastern and foreign languages. Those are particularly in demand in this era of globalization and the "War on Terrorism."
How was FSU getting $10.4M to operate the E School budget a bad thing, again? They were basically going to ensure that professors got paid. And it was only going to be for one year. They weren't taking over control of the E School. Why does everyone keep acting like FAMU was on the brink of no longer having an E School?
ReplyDelete(The last post was mine.)
ReplyDeleteI'd also like to add I think both schools should have their own E School. Neither U seems to want to be associated with the other, and that can't be good for any of the students, which is what it's all about, right?
FAMU should take IFAS away from UF.
ReplyDeleteThey can't stop us.
As a land-grant school all that IFAS money goes to FAMU.
You know that UF is a land grant university, too, right? They won't just give it up. Maybe FAMU should claim racism and rape against UF like they did against FSU to keep control of a pointless $10.4M.
ReplyDeleteHow was FSU getting $10.4M to operate the E School budget a bad thing, again? They were basically going to ensure that professors got paid. And it was only going to be for one year. They weren't taking over control of the E School. Why does everyone keep acting like FAMU was on the brink of no longer having an E School?
ReplyDeleteFSU was trying to takeover the E-School!
The Humphries-Sliger agreement gave FSU the power to select the site of the engineering college and control the administration (by selecting the dean). In exchange, FAMU got control of the finances.
Without control of the finances, FAMU would have absolutely NO POWER and NO VOICE in the E-School's daily operations. FSU simply wanted to have complete authority over the E-School and leave FAMU with nothing.
Furthermore, T.K. never said he just wanted control of the budget and finances for one year. T.K. wanted the legislature to effectively void the Humphries-Sliger agreement and give FSU control of everything in the E-School. That would have created legislative precedent for FSU to have permanent control of the E-School's finances.
If FSU wants its own E-School then it's free to ask the legislature for own. But we're not going to let FSU walk away with the one it jointly operates with FAMU!
FAMU isn't FSU -- we don't go around stealing academic programs from others.
ReplyDeleteFAMU doesn't need to take anything from UF. FAMU can use its land grant status to justify duplicating a number of the agricultural, science, and medical programs that UF has.
If FSU can justify getting a Med School (which UF already has), then FAMU can justify getting Dental and Veterinary Medicine like UF's.
FAMU doesn't pillage other universities! If we want an academic program, then we simply lobby the legislature to give us our own!
I am a student in the COE. The FSU faculty will not work with the FAMU students and only want FSU students and graduate students. Some of these faculty want to move their offices out of the building and FSU is going to use some of the "excellence" money it received from Jeb Bush to build its own engineering building to house some of these FAMU/FSU COE faculty: http://pathways.fsu.edu/facilities/materials.research/. The legislature should not not allow FSU to use public taxpayer dollars to create segretated facilities for engineering faculty. That too underminds the spirit of the Sliger-Humphreys agreement. I think that FAMU alumni should immediately contact Lawson about this -- FSU should not be able to use public money to undermine the joint FAMU/FSU enmgineering school. FAMU, not FSU, should be in charge of this facility and FSU should not be anle to go around doing an end-run around the legislature's wishs.
ReplyDeleteHere's the link to the new engineering building that FSU is building with STATE dollars that are intended for engineering: http://pathways.fsu.edu/facilities/materials.research/. It is going to divert faculty from the COE. This pisses me off, as some key faculty will not longer be in the buildijng and available to students. We need to let Lawson, Ammons and others know that FSU is diverting state resources from the COE and subverting the legislature's wishes. This new building mhust be a part of the FAMU/FSU COE.
ReplyDeleteI'm not suggesting FAMU give FSU the E School. But if FSU went to the legislature with the request of the CoE being split, and each U getting their own, would FAMU support FSU in this mission? Clearly neither school "enjoys" sharing it with the other. I'm just not sure FAMU would be on FSU's side in trying to split the E School. I wonder if FAMU would rather share the E School with FSU, than seeing FSU get their own, and potentially make it a successful one.
ReplyDeleteI know FSU had talked about splitting (not taking over, but actually splitting) the E School and FAMU shot it down. And in regards to Dentistry, Veterinary and Med schools, I think FAMU should get its COPPS, Journalism, Architecture, Business and Law schools securely accredited first.
I don't feel TK was trying to take over control of the E School. It'd be stupid if he were. What good is having complete control of the school if it still has FAMUs name on it? His comment about "Who would you rather have in control of your money?" was entirely d*ck, IMO. He should spend his time trying to get FSU the same academic enhancement fee UF is about to get, having a med school that actually researches, getting FSU their own E School, increasing NIH funding 3-fold like he said last fall and getting FSU into the AAU.
I thought he used to be a politician? He mustn't have been a good one.
Let's not forget about FAMU's Department of Social Work. They are currently offering masters degrees and are currently laying out plans to develop a doctorate. That will lead to the FAMU School of Social Work!
ReplyDeleteSounds nice doesn't it.
Also keep in mind FAMU's graduate programs in Public Health. We can build a College of Public Health and Health Professions (like the one at UF). That would go a long way towards laying the foundation for a Medical/Health Sciences Center at FAMU.
is a link that works!!!!! This should be a part of the FAMU/FSUI COE, not an FSU building.
ReplyDeleteFAMU will be made to give up all graduate programs and will be solely an undergraduate university.
ReplyDeleteIt is a segregated school in a diverse society. It needs to change. It can possibly be justified as an undergraduate school, but nothing more.
There is no reason to invest millions and millions in FAMU graduate programs. You are all dreaming if you think getting $10M back is an indication of great things to come.
COE student,
ReplyDeleteIt sounds like you want FAMU to piggy-back off of FSUs ambitiousness. FSU was awarded some of that money for a center of excellence based around advanced materials. It wasn't awarded to FAMU, or a FAMU-FSU joint interest. It was only to FSU. FSU is therefore, allowed to use that money to build their center for advanced materials research, how they see fit. FAMU has no right to try to pillage and rape and be racist against FSU to try and steal it away from them.
It sounds like you want FAMU to piggy-back off of FSUs ambitiousness. FSU was awarded some of that money for a center of excellence based around advanced materials. It wasn't awarded to FAMU, or a FAMU-FSU joint interest.
ReplyDeleteFSU can kiss my ass. State money is state money. If it is being used for the COE, it ought to be jointly managed as part of the FAMU/FSU COE, not reserved for special treatment for the white kids.
How are those unproven? It seems rather legit to me. And he isn't throwing race back in the face of all the FAMU"ans" that have gotten a kick out of calling FSU the big, bad, white racist university, raping, pillaging and stealing from FAMU.
ReplyDeleteIf FSU were smart, they'd cut all ties with FAMU immediately and petition the legislature for their own CoE.
It is a segregated school in a diverse society. It needs to change.
ReplyDeleteThe reason most FAMU departments don't have many white students is because white students simply chose not to attend FAMU.
Jim Crow gave whites total control over public universities. Whites were free to attend any university they wanted -- included FAMU.
Thus, the low numbers of whites is the result of a simple matter of choice on the part of whites.
The low numbers of blacks at institutions such as FSU and UF is not the result of simple matter of choice. Jim Crow left blacks in Florida with no public university choices other than FAMU.
Integration means reforming the corrupt power structures that were used by one race (whites) to control another race (blacks). Black universities such as FAMU never legally restricted anyone from enrollment or employment on the basis of race.
The problem of segregation existed at white universities, not the black universities. That means that white universities need to recruit more racial minorities.
It can possibly be justified as an undergraduate school, but nothing more.
The Carnegie Foundation disagrees with you. It has already classified FAMU as a Doctoral Research University.
With Dr. Ammons in the chair, FAMU is going add even more graduate programs. We're already in the process of turing our Department of Social Work in to a School of Social Work. Dr. Ammons is also going to push for a School of Denistry and more Ph.D. programs.
FAMU is heading for the elite research ranks and AAU membership!
FSU can kiss my ass. State money is state money. If it is being used for the COE, it ought to be jointly managed as part of the FAMU/FSU COE, not reserved for special treatment for the white kids.
ReplyDeleteSo you admit you support FAMU piggy-backing off of FSU? If FAMU wanted the money, FAMU should have made the proposal themself. If FAMU doesn't want "whitey" getting all the money, FAMU should go after the centers of excellence that UCF, USF, FAU, FIU and UF have all received. White people go there, too.
The money wasn't given to the CoE. It was given to FSU. THAT IS WHY FAMU WON'T SEE A DIME OF IT. It's not yours. You don't get any. Seems simple enough. Maybe you should quit talking about kissing ass and learn to comprehend real life situations a little better.
Don't mess with FAMU!
ReplyDeleteThe low numbers of blacks at institutions such as FSU and UF is not the result of simple matter of choice. Jim Crow left blacks in Florida with no public university choices other than FAMU.
ReplyDelete26% of FSU's students are minorities. That's about as many minorities that attend FAMU.
26% of FSU's students are minorities. That's about as many minorities that attend FAMU.
ReplyDeleteFAMU is still the top producer of blacks with undergraduate degrees in the country. FAMU is still the top when it comes to graduating blacks as a racial minority.
That's true. I'm not denying that. I'm just stating that FSU has as many minorities as FAMU.
ReplyDeleteIsn't FAMU also one of the, if not THE, largest HBCU in the country? That would explain why it leads the nation in black degrees (not that I'm saying that's bad).
I would like to hear the response to my "piggy-back" statement (@ 6:21pm 4/11).
ReplyDeleteI guess there are no responses because I called out FAMU for what it's trying to do: piggy back off of FSU with the CoE.
ReplyDeleteThe folks in here that are making these outrages proposals about a school od medcine and what not need to sit the fuck down. FAMU is rebuilding. We must reestablish ourselves and get the programs we have in good standing before we could ever dream of venturing into a medical school. Lets get the school of business, pharmacy, Journalism, AG, Law, etc back at the top and then we can talk about a medical school........
ReplyDelete"Without control of the finances, FAMU would have absolutely NO POWER and NO VOICE in the E-School's daily operations. FSU simply wanted to have complete authority over the E-School and leave FAMU with nothing. "
ReplyDeleteYeah, it would be terrible if the facilities were actually properly maintained and students, professors and administrators received the proper support and funding under FSU's control.
But you should really be proud that FAMU won such a big "victory". It's unfortunate that the College of Engineering students, once again, are the casualties of war.
For the folks who are suggesting that FAMU try to "get" FSU's funding that it earned and plans to use to construct a research facility, there is a very appropriate word, hypocritical.
Having read the viewpoints here on this blog, it is quite clear that very few of the FAMU supporters here actually have the students' interests in mind. Imagine the horror if FSU ran the school and the College actually became one of the top programs in the country. Horrible! Imagine thousands of minority engineers entering the market with diplomas from one of the best engineering schools in the country supported by an AAU institution named FSU.
Terrible, huh?
i hope your university eventually closes down, its a relic of the past. all of you "rattler-gator" fans how many of you have acual legit ties to UF and how many are bandwagon?
ReplyDeleteI'm an FSU supporter and against many of the ideas on here, but please, if you're going to sit at the table, bring some better material than that. You make the rest of FSU and non-FAMU supporters look like complete morons.
Cast-hell, Lowe-down and the crew were the BEST thing that could have happen to FAM. You never realize the value of something until it is threated by destruction. We had taken our beloved FAM for granted. Never thinking that our foes could be siting next to us. We had enemies within. Some dared to be graduates of FAMU. Note I did not say they were RATTLERS.
ReplyDeleteThere has always been house negroes and field negroes. The house negroes are harder on the negroes than the "maser". They are more destructive also. They came to destroy our Beloved Hill but they are being destroyed one by one. Have these outside house negroes learn that The RATTLERS WILL STRIKE, STRIKE AND STRIKE AGAIN. George Allen should have told them that. Prez FSH told they last week. Rattlers have friends in HIGH places. Good bye House Negroes.
FAMU FAMU FAMU FAMU!!!
ReplyDelete2:45, Listen up. The WF ain' trying to give up no $$ for us to have a medical school. Ain' "fixin' ta" happen. Maybe, just maybe, somewhere down the load and narrow road of redemption, when "they" see that our fiscal affairs are in order, the topic may reach the table, but be forewarned, that road is decades away. Do you really think those people would even consider establishing a med school at FAMU, no matter where its locale, and we can't even pay our people on time??? Be real. And be for real. Naw, I'm afraid that dog won't hunt, my friend. It may sniff, but it won't hunt.
ReplyDeleteStudents need to stage a rally with the chant: Cast Hell to the Wind & Go, Challis, Go!" I'll help make the signs.
ReplyDeleteIt's funny how some people who rant and raved and did the halleluya dance when Fred Gainous was being castrated in the news on a daily basis, but remain suspiciously silent now that Castell is getting her dragging ass kicked day in & out. No conversation about any of this stuff that's in the papers and on the news on a DAILY basis. Loyalty is one thing, but blind loyalty, when you know folks are simply DEAD wrong, mean, vicous and just plain nasty, is another thing, and Castell Bryant, as Roosevelt Wilson said in his recent column, is "mean, arrogant, ruthless and vicious." Remain silent if you will. Silence oftentimes says more than words that are spoken.
ReplyDeleteNo. It just means FAMU's under the microscope and on probation. Screw this up and kiss the CoE goodbye.
ReplyDeleteMoaning and weeping about being an ethnic minority won't matter at all, either.
No more excuses. Get it right or say goodbye to the CoE.
"I have a dream that one day a man will be judged by the content of his character rather then the color of his skin."
ReplyDeleteThe dream has come true. FAMU administrators are being held to the same standard as the other universities.
Being black is no excuse for incompetence.
The wink and the nudge "its a black thang y'all" culture is on the guillotine.
The legislature simply wants competence and accountability - an equal standard that we should embrace.
Thank God for Dr. King.
ReplyDeleteIt's not about being a color, it's about being competent.
It's a good thing.
Racism is about the control of POWER using race as leverage. FAMUans can't ,as Black Americans be racist. Discrimination is a choice, racism is an institution. That is the one that needs to be beheaded! Criminoles. Not all of the tribe, but they know who they are. Renegades. And all this before the commissioned task-force can convene functionally. RACISM. Pappas needs to go too! Get on the bus!
ReplyDelete10:10--We need to let go of this Seminole thing. Forget those people. We've gotten the E-School back, so now let us direct all our energies toward moving--or helping--to move the institution forward. The Seminoles don't count on this board and what they come here and say doesn't matter one iota. We pulled this one off, because we struck, struck and struck again.
ReplyDeleteWe won this one BECAUSE we are black, not because we deserved to win.
ReplyDeleteWhitey is trying so hard not to APPEAR to be racist.
It is NOT racist to demand competence and financial integrity.
What IS RACIST, is to allow incompetence and financial misconduct at the black school, because the "blacks aren't as capable as other schools and therefore shouldn't be held to the same standard."
I hope that Ammons will clean this place up so that we do not have to hide behind the color of our skin.
We can be a world class institution if we will stop hiding behind race and other excuses.
Using terms like "whitey" is certainly racist. Otherwise you are correct with your post.
ReplyDeletewhat's an aau university?
ReplyDeleteFLORIDA A&M UNIVERSITY
ReplyDeleteTHE FIRST HBCU TO GAIN AAU MEMBERSHIP.
THAT SOUNDS SO GOOD.
AAU: American Association of Universities. Membership has benefits.
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