Rattler Nation has learned that SACS' faculty credential standards are "guidelines" (p.8 of Principles of Accreditation). Each institution is allowed by SACS to "qualify" their own instructors as the institution sees fit as long as the justification is well documented. Further, each institution is given enormous latitude in the credential standard to certify their instructors.This is something that not everyone understands. Administrators that DO understand this can play the game to their own advantage. If the administrators DO NOT understand this, the process becomes a mess.
Take a look at: www.firn.edu/doe/postsecondary/pdf/accminutes_52406.pdf (see Item 9 on page, and item 14 par 2 on page 6)
The key to understanding this "bait and switch" con: SACS presents one faculty standard to the public and upper policy people (who believe it is happening on the ground -- which it isn't for one simple reason: out-of-field misassignments are higher ed's dirty little secret) but then in the field, lets the institution do the credentialing as long as it (cough cough) aligns with the institution's mission. It has been this way since the beginning. These simply are "recommendations" (which are NOT binding). At FAMU these recommondations are surfacing and masquerading as hardcore facts, and the Visiting Team hasn't even arrived yet.
See pages 4 and 5: 2006 SACS newsletter
SACS standards should be a MINIMUM for any 4-University worth attending. The "get ova mentality" must stop! Why do we have to wait until the visiting committee come? That's like waiting to clean our house until company comes. Why in the heck do we as Black folk always choose the lower road to travel?
ReplyDeleteNo one here is advocating taking the "lower road to travel." We are simply asking that the faculty credential evaluations be completed in a fair and competent manner.
ReplyDeleteBryant has falsely asserted that SACS requires all professors to have "a minimum 18 graduate-level courses in the area in which they are teaching."
There is absolutely no truth to Bryant's statement. Anyone with an elementary understanding of the reaffirmation process knows that graduate-level courses are not the only way to qualify to teach a specific academic discipline.
Faculty members can also qualify to teach specific academic disciplines through their professional experience and research. This is accepted by SACS and every other university accrediting body.
Indeed, professors often create and teach new courses that were not available when they were in graduate school. That is how the academy grows.
FAMU never had to lay off large numbers of professors in order to secure reaffirmation in 1998, 1988, or any other year. In both cycles, FAMU was granted full, unconditional reaffirmation.
The problem is that Bryant and Austin do not want to take the time to take professional experience and research into consideration while evaluating faculty teaching credentials. That is why so many professors' jobs are in jeopardy.
This opens up the floodgates for more lawsuits because these faculty members' teaching credentials are not being evaluated under the full list of options that are made available by academic accrediting bodies. FAMU is preparing to throw many fully qualified professors to the curb without any legal justification.
Bryant, Austin, and Hobbs do not have the qualifications, experience, or competence to evaluate FAMU faculty credentials for SACS compliance.
Amen to "Anonymous" for preaching the godpel about the competence, or, shall I say, incompetence, of the three stooges: B,A & H. Don't leave another H out of the picture: JHouston. What kind of qualifications do these folk have to call order and impose disorder on other faculty members. I say: Check out their qualifications first. They're qualifified to yakkity-yakk it up, but short of the yang-yang, there's not much there.
ReplyDeleteCastell is scamming us with the entire "SACS" process, just like she scammed us about $8M surplus.
ReplyDeleteThe two "Hs", Hobbs & Houston, were getting paid to do this stuff. Now, how fair is that?
ReplyDeleteI think we should take them all to the woodshed and whip them like they stole something, which, essentially, they all may have. Castell just made everything look so official, p-ayment-wise, that is. But you didn't hear that from me!
ReplyDeleteLet's not cut and paste documents. This is a slam dunk for any labor law attorney. As noted in the language of Section 3. Comprehensive Standards state that "when determining acceptable
ReplyDeletequalifications of its faculty, an institution gives PRIMARY CONSIDERATION to the highest earned degree in the discipline in accordance with the guidelines listed below." Secondary consideration could be given to all the other stuff anonymous @ 12:36 stated. The secondary considerations are not to be made IN LIEU OF THE PRIMARY CONSIDERATIONS. FAMU ain't the NEW SCHOOL (USF). Why dontcha list some of those "professors often create and teach new courses that were not available when they were in graduate school." Even so, there should be continuous education of the professors. If a professor's discipline has changed that dramatically since earning their degree and they fail to show continuous education, then they are incompetent to teach. Let's stop the welfare mentality and get on with the business of educating our next generation of FAMU alumni. Just in case you forgot what you read. Here's what SACS says beginning at page 25:
3.7 Faculty
3.7.1 The institution employs competent faculty members qualified to accomplish
the mission and goals of the institution. When determining acceptable qualifications of its faculty, an institution gives primary consideration to the highest earned degree in the discipline in accordance with
the guidelines listed below. The institution also considers competence, effectiveness, and capacity, including, as appropriate, undergraduate and
graduate degrees, related work experiences in the field, professional licensure and certifications, honors and awards, continuous documented excellence in teaching, or other demonstrated competencies and achievements that contribute to effective teaching and student learning outcomes. For all cases, the institution is responsible for justifying and
documenting the qualifications of its faculty.
Credential Guidelines:
a. Faculty teaching general education courses at the undergraduate level: doctor’s or master’s degree in the teaching discipline or master’s degree with a concentration in the teaching discipline(a minimum of 18 graduate semester hours in the teaching discipline).
b. Faculty teaching associate degree courses designed for transfer to a baccalaureate degree: doctor’s or master’s degree in the teaching discipline or master’s degree with a concentration in the teaching discipline (a minimum of 18 graduate semester hours in the teaching discipline).
c. Faculty teaching associate degree courses not designed for
transfer to the baccalaureate degree: bachelor’s degree in the
teaching discipline, or associate’s degree and demonstrated
competencies in the teaching discipline.
d. Faculty teaching baccalaureate courses: doctor’s or master’s
degree in the teaching discipline or master’s degree with a concentration in the teaching discipline (minimum of 18 graduate
semester hours in the teaching discipline). At least 25 percent
of the discipline course hours in each undergraduate major are
taught by faculty members holding the terminal degree—usually
the earned doctorate—in the discipline.
e. Faculty teaching graduate and post-baccalaureate course
work: earned doctorate/ terminal degree in the teaching discipline
or a related discipline.
f. Graduate teaching assistants: master’s in the teaching discipline
or 18 graduate semester hours in the teaching discipline, direct supervision by a faculty member experienced in the teaching discipline, regular in-service training, and planned and periodic evaluation.
>>>The secondary considerations are not to be made IN LIEU OF THE PRIMARY CONSIDERATIONS. FAMU ain't the NEW SCHOOL (USF).<<<
ReplyDeleteProfessional experience and research can, indeed, be made in lieu of graduate education. They are called: ALTERNATIVE credentialing options. That interpretation has been upheld by SACS and every other major university accrediting body.
Bryant's interpretation is that primary consideration means that graduate education is the ONLY method through which anyone can qualify to teach a subject. That is completely erroneous and inconsistent with the precendent established by SACS.
This is what happens when men and women who are experience in the reaffirmation process are replaced by people who have never prepared a university for a SACS review.
>>>Even so, there should be continuous education of the professors. If a professor's discipline has changed that dramatically since earning their degree and they fail to show continuous education, then they are incompetent to teach.<<<
Faculty research is what drives changes in academic disciplines. Through research, faculty make new discoveries that expand the horizons of knowledge. That IS the continuous education process for scholars.
Furthermore, professional experience also permits faculty to obtain hands-on, practical knowledge of a specific discipline.
Both professional experience and research are accepted by SACS and every other major university as ALTERNATIVE crendentialing options because they can clearly demonstrate that a faculty member has competence, far-reaching knowledge, and strong teaching abilities in a particular field.
Many other universities that are fully accredited by SACS have used alternative qualification options to justify faculty appointments.
ReplyDeleteSACS continues to permit alternative qualification options in its present guidelines.
Here are some examples:
Western Carolina University:
http://www.wcu.edu/provost/resources/documents/AA21Form02-13-061_000.doc
Clemson University:
http://assessment.clemson.edu/pdf/faculty.doc
The University of Texas-Arlington is another institution that uses alternative qualification processes for faculty, as permitted by SACS:
ReplyDeleteUniversity of Texas-Arlington:
http://www.uta.edu/provost/facultysupport/forms/3CertificationofCredential.doc
The University of Houston-Downtown also uses alternative qualification options, as permitted by SACS. The following is the SACS review committee's report on UHD's compliance with SACS's faculty credential guidelines:
http://www.uhd.edu/sacs/focused_3.7.1_Faculty_Qualifications_and_Credentials.htm
I know this is long...please indulge me!!!
ReplyDeleteTo Anonymous @ 1:54...
With all due respect, that logic doesn't fly. At the OLD SCHOOLS (including the Harvards, Yales, Michigans, and the Howards), this is common practice. This information comes from persons who have worked with SACS accreditation. There is a continuous education process that occurs...it's called professional experience and research (as an earlier poster stated), as well as through avenues, such as prominence in one's field, which are all (in part or in totality) necessary in order to achieve tenure or continued employment. Bill Gates never earned a higher education degree...would you not let him on your faculty in computer technology or even in business?
To Anonymous @ 3:36,
The public may not be as qualified to judge the acceptable standards for proper credentials as is the committee, who is responsible and qualified for such "judgments". We don't allow the public to judge things for which they have no basis of understanding or the knowledge of the history of the processes involved. We entrust that task to those WITH said experience. One cannot gain a thorough understanding simply by reading that brief statement, just as one doesn't have a complete understanding of the law just by reading a law book or statutes. There is a "little" process called interpretation that is a necessary factor when evaluating such complex matters...and believe me, SACS accreditation is a complex matter.
Also, USF isn't hardly considered a university that doesn't deserve respect. There is respected research being conducted and also a lot of respected faculty members at USF.
I'm not aware of FAMU skating by in their previous accreditations and if alternate means of credentialing were not acceptable, then I'm sure we would hear that from SACS (they've been sued enough over this issue to have their stuff in line) that those methods were unacceptable and couldn't be used without achieving only provisional accreditation. This has not been the case.
So are Harvard, Yale, Michigan, Berkeley, Howard, MIT, UTexas, and Cornell unacceptable institutions because they, too, use alternate measures? I would think FAMU would be proud to use the same standards of these institutions. I also don't recall anyone saying FAMU produced substandard graduates, which seems to be the implication by stating that there is something wrong with the standards previously used by FAMU AND accepted by SACS.
Also, all on-line degree programs are not created equal. Even though I sat in a classroom for ALL 4 of my degrees, I've seen some of my colleagues work harder with their on-line degrees than some of those who went the traditional route.
One more point....say you are the CEO or the member of a board of a Fortune 500 company. Would you let someone come in and restructure and run your company who's previous employment was as a regional manager of an offshoot non-profit venture of your company, or would you wait for and hire someone who has had experience, or at the very least some knowledge, with your type of company? There is a reason community colleges and 4-year university programs are separate at institutions that offer higher education administration degrees.
Even though there is some cross knowledge, I really would like someone to list an example of a situation where a 4+ (bachelors, masters, and doctorates) institution let a community college administrator come in and tear up (restructure) an institution, when that person had NO prior experience in that environment.
"If a professor's discipline has changed that dramatically since earning their degree and they fail to show continuous education, then they are incompetent to teach."
ReplyDeleteEven if they literally wrote the book on the new direction of a discipline or a or conducted research on a new discipline altogether? Surely they wouldn't still need to go back and take a class when they are considered the "expert"?!?
Thus, this is why there are exceptions (NOT LOWERED STANDARDS) to the rule!
To Anon @ 12:36 PM
ReplyDeletewho said, "There is a continuous education process that occurs...it's called professional experience and research. Faculty research is what drives changes in academic disciplines ...Through research, faculty make new discoveries that expand the horizons of knowledge. That IS the continuous education process for scholars."
Well with all of that "research and new discoveries" going on at FAMU, the educational policy of Jeb Bush's One Florida Initiative should be no problem.
Besides, why is it that FAMU professors (w/o 18 graduate hours) who "through research ... make new discoveries that expand the horizons of knowledge" continue to be absent from educational initiatives like the African American Digital Initiatives, Institute on World War II & the Human Experience (FSU compiling the stories of Black WWII servicemen in "Operation Recognition and Remembrance", go figure!), NIH's African American Health Initiative, etc? USF put the intellectual capital behind the Casey Foundation's national case study, "Identifying Strengths in African-American Families." UF represented at the hearing of the Sullivan Commission on Diversity in the Health Professions Workforce, that was created to address disparities in health care by focusing attention on the number of underrepresented minorities among the nation’s health professions.
Seems as if FAMU hasn't been at the forefront among Florida schools when it comes to African-American issues (as it should). Please cite similar examples of similar activities or even "collaborations" among those FAMU professors (w/o 18 graduate hours) who "through research ... make new discoveries that expand the horizons of knowledge".
I would be willing to do so, as soon as you cite the contributionns singularly or collectively that Castell Byrant, Debra Austin or Vivian Hobbs have made to the new body of knowledge in their respective disciplines or higher education. Better yet, a commendation would suffice.
ReplyDeleteThere is definitely a professor that comes to mind.
Is that crickets I hear chirping? LOL.
ReplyDeleteNewsflash: Castell Byrant has retired as a competent Senior Administrator in the state university system. Are Bryant, Debra Austin or Vivian Hobbs asking for alternative creditialing options? I think not! If the FAMU faculty (w/o 18 credit hours)who "through research.... make new discoveries that expand the horizons of knowledge" want alternative credentialing options, then their Curriculum Vitae should be replete with the "external credentials" like published works, books, foundation research, federal/state initiatives, fellowships, testimony before Congress/FL legislature, etc. as well as a far reaching academic reputation to support their retention at the University. FAMU definitely has its share of Fulbrights in the state. Are any of the Fulbright professors among the "(w/o 18 credit hours)who through research.... make new discoveries that expand the horizons of knowledge." Again, I ask why aren't the professors "(w/o 18 credit hours)who through research.... make new discoveries that expand the horizons of knowledge" present along with the African-American professors of UF, USF, UCF, UM, Nova (Marian Wright Edelman has an institute there), and FSU during the myriad of academic conversations regarding African-American issues? Ya mean all of this chit chat and only ONE professor comes to mind?
ReplyDeleteI agree with the anonymous writer that says that with all of the alternative credentialling, then our faculty should be at the forefront on research on a number of issues, particularly issues relating to black folk. It appears to me that those arguing the hardest aginst the current credential interpretation have an axe to grind against our present leadership.
ReplyDeleteOutside of the hard sciences (Pharmacy, Engineering, Biology), aint many of our professors setting the world on fire in the way of research and writing. Dont take my word, go to the Black Archives and you will find 1 book shelf, ONE, that is dedicated to teacher publications. Its pathetic. What's sad is some of you felt so dissed when the old board of regents did not want us to be declared a research instituion along with UF and FSU several years back...with thirty plus teachers arguably not teaching in their right field? Give me a break.
Whining about whether Dr. Bryant and others have the Ph.D or not is irrelevant. Take coaches, for example. Jake Gaither, Eddie Robinson and Bobby Bowden have more in common than being just being great coaches. None of them were All World, Hall of Fame worthy Pro players themselves, but they were smart enough to understand the game and produce many who were. Similarly, I dont care if Dr. Austin and Dr. Bryant have an Ed.D, they are not under the SACS scrutiny. If they can read and understand the requirements and apply them without an axe to grind, like some of you negroes here, that's cool with me. Ya'll keep trying to suggest conspiracy but you have no evidence that there are axes being grinded, or any teacher that is in credential trouble because someone has a vendetta. Wake up...
Outside of the hard sciences (Pharmacy, Engineering, Biology), aint many of our professors setting the world on fire in the way of research and writing.
ReplyDeleteEspecially in Victorian Literature.
Not to belabor the point, but every faculty member is given an "Assignment of Responsibilities" form each semester. Every other university in Florida considers 12 "contact hours" a full load (teaching four 3-hour courses, for example.) FAMU requires 15. Faculty are also assigned percentages of effort for research, governance, advising, etc. Deans fill these out based on classroom needs, faculty availability and expertise, and myriad other factors.
ReplyDeleteIt would be no surprise if someone were to show that FAMU faculty indeed write, invent, and discover less, on average, than their peers at other universities, because those are not things that have historically been valued by the University administration. Therefore, faculty are neither assigned these work responsibilities, nor given time and resources to accomplish them. And the current administration has made it clear that they think those things have no place at FAMU (don't you people know 'your place'? she asks.)
As a point of justice, no faculty member who has never been given support and an assignment that includes academic scholarship and research should now be fired because they have failed to produce those things. Rather, they should be fairly compensated and given the necessary time and resources. Faculty have invested heavily in FAMU and do not deserve to be treated the way they are by C & Co.
Good people, please remember that FAMU is not exclusively composed on African American faculty, students, or administrators. This is a multicultural university. The last time I looked, something like 30 percent of the faculty is non-black, and around 4 percent of students.
ReplyDeleteOne of FAMU's central issues is the tension between being a historically black university and being a state-supported university in the Florida system. Let's keep that tension creative by not forgetting about it.
If some faculty member's credentials are being questioned under the SACS review, will that faculty member be given the opportunity to present evendence of being qualified?
ReplyDeleteVitas and transcripts do not necessarily contain all the information necessary to settle that question.
This is not a matter that can necessarily be settled by a few people in a committee reading transcripts and vitas.
The suggestion that faculty is not writing, researching or creating is not because of the current administration that has been in office for a little over a year. It has never been done, with the exception in the hard sciences. And do you think that our science professors are being specifically assigned research tasks? No. Research is done by the teacher developing an idea and rigorously working toward bringing it into existence. Professors throughout the state and nation are teaching full loads while working on articles, books, and research projects and competing for grants. While the sciences deserve their props, the notion that it is the dean's fault or current and past administration's fault is crazy.
ReplyDeleteTo Anon @ 6:29, 7:46 and 8:38....
ReplyDeletedat you, Vivian? or is it one u, Castell or Debra?
if not one of you, it must be one of the 'administrators' Castell bought in (and one of the only ones to get a real raise).
i know it's not one of the current, practicing faculty. i'd be interested to know if there is even one who supports this nonsense. surely they're not all unqualified!
Surely there IS something to be said for the quality of FAMU alumni. The faculty must have been capable of teaching them something!
ReplyDeleteAnd you most definitely don't attract new, quality faculty by treating them the way castell treats this faculty.
As Rosie said in the Capital Outlook...it's called "SHARED GOVERNANCE"!
FAMU and Rattler Nation is a joke. White folk bout ready to shut the school down..what ya'll gonna do then...probably still blame Castell hehehe
ReplyDelete8/07/2006 11:14 PM said:
ReplyDeleteProfessors throughout the state and nation are teaching full loads while working on articles, books, and research projects and competing for grants. While the sciences deserve their props, the notion that it is the dean's fault or current and past administration's fault is crazy.
Nobody denies that. But FAMU faculty are expected to cover 25% MORE class time while having their publishing and research measured against everyone else. Castell & Co. practically shut down research and conference-related travel, while the previous administrations at least respected the hard work of the faculty.
That's the point!
Anonymous said "Why in the heck do we as Black folk always choose the lower road to travel?"
ReplyDeleteBecause it's the easier softer way! Constantly trying to out sorry each other. Not wanting to work hard at anything except for good-timing. That, we'll bust a gut to get to...
The 12-hour / 15-hour bias has been a part of FAMU since Humphries' tenure. I think it was an expedient and stupid way to justify lower "productivity" of FAMU faculty (i.e., research dollars and papers published). What SHOULD HAVE BEEN discussed is the fact that FAMU faculty invest much more time in each student, in part because a greater percentage of our students come from very poor high schools and need extra help to get traction and flourish. It was an easy out taken decades ago that still haunts us today.
ReplyDeleteI hope and pray that the next president quits making excuses for the fact that FAMU has a unique and extraordinarily important mission -- one that it has fulfilled admirably for over a century. We need the public and the legislature and the governor to all understand that society and culture are greatly enhanced by this university, but yes, it sometimes means a little more cost per degree, or faculty with slightly different training, experience, and perspective. One size has never fit all, and we'll all be much better off when our university administrators and state and federal governments realize that! That's when we'll know that we as a people truly understand and appreciate diversity!
God Bless Castell said...Why hasnt anyone spoken out about FAMU's faculty having more courseloads than their counterparts? When did this start and is it commonly known? 8/08/2006 6:58 AM
ReplyDeleteWhat does God have to do with this? You comment implies that God is blessing Castell and punishing the faculty, staff and students. Do you really believe that? Just had an up close and personal experience with Castell Vaughn Bryant yesterday, and there is no way I am going to believe that God had anything to do with her behavior or actions.
Anonymous said... 8/7/04 @ 7:46 PM NewsfAgain, I ask why aren't the professors "(w/o 18 credit hours)who through research.... make new discoveries that expand the horizons of knowledge" present along with the African-American professors of UF, USF, UCF, UM, Nova (Marian Wright Edelman has an institute there), and FSU during the myriad of academic conversations regarding African-American issues? Ya mean all of this chit chat and only ONE professor comes to mind?
ReplyDeleteSMH, so if FAMU's professors travel in the other (non black) circles presenting their research at national/internationl meetings, seminars, conferences, etc., then they are not considered African Americans or worthy of acknowledgement? FAMU's faculty body is probably the most diversified in the FL SUS. Get real, this is the 21st Century. We ain't all black anymore.
BTW, Castell has denied more requests to attend National/International meetings than a little bit. It's sad when other universities extend invitations to our faculty to attend these professional activities and our faculty are denied the funds to do so. Even more embarassing, when the white institutions have to pay our way. Welfare in higher education.
And you don't think this woman is crazy. Please, be for real, she has set FAMU back a 100 years.
In response to the question: "To Anon @ 6:29, 7:46, 8:38 and 8:38...dat you, Vivian? or is it one u, Castell or Debra?" NO I AM NOT! I am the Anon @ 12:26 who started this whole conversation. I am not 8:38, so it stands to reason that I am not exclusive. Again, "THE GET OVA MENTALITY" AT FAMU MUST STOP! Dr. Bryant used the same methods to clean up Florida Memorial College. Those w/o SACS credentials left and got a job elsewhere. The expertise of the professors among the FAMU faculty (w/o 18 credit hours)who "through research.... make new discoveries that expand the horizons of knowledge," should be adequate enough to serve as a catalyst to create academic institutes all over the place. Take your alternative credentials to the FL legislature and create an institute that's state funded like professors at UF, FSU, USF, UCF, UM, Nova, FAU, FIU. Ain't that's what's going on at Harvard and all of the other institutes of higher learning who use ALTERNATIVE CREDENTIALS? There are plenty of high schools looking for teachers. No need to have the title of college professor when your professional performance indicates that you are better suited for K-12.
ReplyDeleteThe bottom line is that SACS accepts professional experience and research as alternative qualification credentials, despite Bryant's claim to the contrary. There are many faculty members whose teaching credentials come through alternative qualifications and they should have a chance to be fairly evaluated.
ReplyDeleteSACS has made it clear that 18 graduate credit hours IS NOT the only way to qualify to teach a specific academic discipline. Bryant has willfully misrepresented SACS's guidelines on teaching qualifications.
the best way to get more faculty doing research, get them out of the classroom so damn much.
ReplyDeleteSecondly, take all those students not ready for a 4 year college and put them in a Community college pipeline. Let them transfer in 2 years after getting their issues worked out in a CC, where it belongs.
Only Gainous tried this, and he damn near got lynched b/c of his stupid idea of our teachers teaching at TCC. Take out the teacher part and the idea should be put in place immediately.
Research, graduation rate, thug students. All problems immediately solved.
Amen Anon @ 12:09 PM! Even the "Flagship" - UF touts on its undergraduate admissions' website UFs "2 + 2" program with neighboring Santa Fe Community College. Merger? Not on your life! It's actually delusional! Imagine the national fall-out from that. If Florida allowed FAMU to be merged with FSU, then it would resonate throughout the country. The powerful and influential alumni group would make sure that happens "from sea to shining sea." Politicians would flee from that political mess like Lot fled from Sodom and Gomorrah. Besides, which FSU president would even attempt such a deed of derring-do? In a merger FSU would be required to absorb a few thousand of black folk.
ReplyDeleteAmen, again, Anon 12:09 PM, when you wrote:
ReplyDelete"Secondly, take all those students not ready for a 4 year college and put them in a Community college pipeline. Let them transfer in 2 years after getting their issues worked out in a CC, where it belongs."
FAMU has a special mission, but community colleges are doing an increasingly fine job educating exactly the underserved African American students some folks think FAMU has a franchise on.
FAMU is not likely to merge with FSU. If it gets taken over by anybody, it will be TCC! Those people at TCC know how to work with academically underprepared students. FAMU, with its on-again, off-again remedial programs, has just been playing around in this area.
Let's either quit admitting underqualified students, or let's gear up and give them the academic support they require -- the way TCC does.
--Why4
Those of you who are citing alternative qualifications, it probably would be helpful to contact one of these schools you cited to obtain an example of someone they hired under alternative qualifications. Many of you know that FAMU has done well producing good students, that does not mean that those professors with "alternative credentials" were responsible. It does not also mean that the "credentialed professors" were responsible. Many of you make generalizations that are scary.
ReplyDeleteYou are right Castell should take credit for producing these outstanding students.
ReplyDelete