A study conducted by the Pappas Group which recommendens overhauling Florida's entire higher education system and taking some exsisting state universities and placing them into a new subclass of universities that will focus only on undergraduate education had the full blessings of Castell Bryant, former Board of Governors member, and Debra Austin, former University Chancellor.As a BOG member and Chancellor, Castell and Debra were well aware of the reasoning behind the study and its back door antics to revisit Adam Herberts' Tier designations again. In fact, as chancellor, Mrs. Austin commissioned the report. While Castell Bryant as a member of the BOG voted to approved it.
Now Mrs. Austin and Mrs. Bryant hold the top two executive positions at FAMU, which could be harmed if the Pappas proposal is implemented.
In recent days, FAMU faculty, alumni and supporters have begin to wonder if this is the main reason why we were saddled with these two in the first place. What better way to relegate FAMU into a permanent subclass of universities and implement the Tier processes this time around.
See Pappas Report
The Florida Times Union
ReplyDeleteFriday, January 19, 2007
Story last updated at 6:00 p.m. on Friday, January 19, 2007
Report rips Florida universities over undergraduate education
By BILL KACZOR
Associated Press Writer
TALLAHASSEE, Fla. - Florida's public universities have concentrated too much on glitzy research and professional programs while slighting undergraduates, according to a highly critical study that recommends sweeping, but politically unpopular, changes.
The Board of Governors, which oversees Florida's 11 state universities, will begin discussing the study Thursday at Florida Atlantic University in Boca Raton. A workshop, with an opportunity for public comment, is set for Feb. 27 in Orlando.
The study received negative and positive reaction Friday, but the latter was tempered by memories of failed past reform efforts.
"I'm glad the report came out," said Steve Uhlfelder, who chaired the Board of Regents, a precursor to the present board. "But good luck. I've been there, done that."
The board raised private money for the study by Stamford, Conn.-based Pappas Consulting Group to help prepare a 50-year blueprint for higher education in Florida.
The report concludes Florida has a disorganized system of undistinguished universities going their own ways. It predicts the system is heading for bankruptcy because of low tuition and the high cost of its popular Bright Futures scholarships and the state's Prepaid Tuition Program.
"Everything in the report is accurately portrayed," said State University System Chancellor Mark Rosenberg. "My concern will be how we can get this done over the next couple years and get all the moving parts working together."
The study's key recommendation is to persuade some existing universities, through financial incentives, to join a new subsystem focusing almost entirely on undergraduate education.
The subsystem also could include university branch campuses and community colleges converted to state colleges and private schools that become public or quasi-public. A last resort would be to build new campuses.
"I think it's a bad idea," said Community Colleges Chancellor David Armstrong. "I don't want 28 outstanding community colleges turned into mediocre state colleges."
Armstrong fears they then would abandon their open-door admissions policy and roles in work force training and adult education.
University of South Florida President Judy Genshaft issued a statement saying she supports keeping her school's existing structure. Tampa-based South Florida has major branch in St. Petersburg that the study cites as meeting the proposed conversion criteria.
The regents had made a similar attempt to designate certain universities as undergraduate institutions through a tier system in the 1990s that died after drawing opposition.
"I still have bullet wounds from the tier approach," Uhlfelder said.
The regents also opposed new medical and law schools as unnecessary and wasteful, a criticism echoed in the Pappas study.
The Legislature and then-Gov. Jeb Bush reacted by abolishing the regents, replacing them with a separate board of trustees for each university and creating the new medical and law schools.
Voters in 2002 established the Board of Governors through a citizen initiative. The new board was touted as a way to reduce political meddling.
The report says the most likely candidates for the undergraduate subsystem are the universities of North Florida and West Florida, Gulf Coast University and New College. Next in line would be Florida A&M University and the University of Central Florida.
"Given the history of the last attempt at tiering this one's going to have difficulty," said West Florida president John Cavanaugh.
His school's boosters were among the most vociferous opponents of the regents' plan that also would have grouped the Pensacola institution among undergraduate-focused universities.
Not all university presidents reacted negatively.
"I think the objective of reining in 11 universities that want to go their own way, cost be damned, is a good one," said North Florida President John Delaney. He said North Florida wants to remain focused on undergraduates.
Ed H. Moore, executive director of the Independent Colleges & Universities of Florida, also praised the study for recognizing the importance of private schools. He called it "the beginning of a meaningful dialogue."
The consulting company's leader, Alceste T. Pappas, acknowledged the recommendations would be unpopular in a letter accompanying the report.
"We are not naive," she wrote, but added that without willingness to make difficult choices "the emerging master plan will be an interesting academic exercise but little else."
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ReplyDeleteIf this is true and they supported it, they're completely out of touch with most FAMU alumni. James Corbin used to talk about FAMU's mission is undergraduate education. Time for them (both) and that small and limited way ot thinking to go. FAMU must always think big and deliver as a change agent for African-American people.
ReplyDeletevoting to go through with the study and endorsing some pre-determined outcome are two different things. Just b/c they said to go ahead with the report does not automatically mean they were trying to get some political cover to put FAMU back in the third tier.
ReplyDeleteThis plan will die just like it did when I was there back in '98. FAMU students and alums won't take being forced into the third tier once again.
Since consultants like to be rehired, it is not always straightforward whether they did the analysis to develop recommendations or find evidence to support a forgone conclusion. And so, we can not always believe their facts as they sometime mirror the beliefs of the person who hired them or got them hired...
ReplyDeleteWe got the foxes gaurding the hen house, we're screwed!!!!!
ReplyDeleteguys and gals on this board famu cannot even educate the undergrad population let alone be focused on research. everyone's favorite potential president comes from a tiered system in north carolina, considered to be along with texas and california, the best with regard to university education. famu, remember, is funded by taxpayer dollar and at the end of the day must serve the state's interest. yes educating young black men and women is important, but soon diversity at other state institutions will be so that famu's mission of just educating black's will be behind the times. uf has is biggest african american minority enrollment yet, fsu is also emphasizing minority enrollment heavily recruiting blacks, latinos, asian, and indians. in fact, both uf and fsu have black student populations close to 4 and 5 thousand mark. I wonder what the corresponding minority enrollment at famu is? check out the board of governors website and you will be surprised at how undiverse famu is. it is the least diverse in the entire system. what a shame! we are moving out of the black and white world that so many at famu are still stuck in. unfortunately it is for the detriment of the university. the tier system will make famu focus and give a quality education to it's students, which it has been failing at miserably. who cares about enrollment. give your students the tools and education they need, prepare them for the next level!
ReplyDeleteto blogger 10:24, with what you said being the case, why should FAMU be the only one of the three school that you mentioned have to focus on being an undergraduate institution. Lets be clear, although, UF and FSU have roughly 4-5 thousand AAs enrolled, how many a year do they graduate, and in what majors. Remember last year, Gov. Jeb Bush released a report that showed the number of AA male receiving B/S or B/A's in the state of Florida was down from years past, many argue its do to this One Florida Program, and also remember he particularly blamed that on FAMU. It is clear to me that these institutions understand that the more minorities they have in their school the more federal funds one receives, doesn't say anything about graduating these individuals. Sadly, Florida is the only state in the South with only one publicly funded HBCU, with 2-3 million AA residing in this state. So let’s talk tax payers dollars, are you saying that the majority of these 2-3 million black Floridians don't want to see FAMU remain as leading institution of higher education for individuals that look like them. I would think that all you have to do is poll a percentage and you would find that a great majority are more than supportive of FAMU and its research interest, specifically in the pharmaceutical sciences, law, and other programs where AA are underrepresented.
ReplyDeletewould have to disagree with you, but hey it is called dialouge. there are actually 6 schools if you read the report that have been identified. did you read the reoprt? having one publicly funded hbcu in florida i do not think is a sad thing. i believe famu is still living in a black and white world, which is negative and near sighted. black floridians are not the only ones funding famu. florida is a state of all colors, it is the 21st century and famu should step foot into this century. if you polled all floridians with all races and colors included i am sure you would find something different. the most diverse universities are the strongest. if famu does not change it will continue to be mediocre. with regard to one florida, it is a worn out excuse. in fact famu is full of those. assume responsibility and move forward!
ReplyDeleteDid not read the report, but the article that RN posted. But my response was to the three schools that you indicated in your post not to the article or the report. From what I gained from the article I feel that there is more of an attempt to make the community colleges in Florida stronger, as far as giving then the power to offer B/S or B/A's and making UF and FSU more dominate by giving them the lions share of research dollars, which they already receive. I do understand that other schools are involved in this conversation, such as UCF, USF, FAU and the University of West Florida. I also understand that UF is the flag ship school of the state, but there is no other school in the state that has the mission that FAMU has, as it pertain to the training of African Americans. Therefore, if FAMU is relegated to a glorified community college, then within the next 30 years, you will see the number of Black Medical Doctors, Lawers,etc.
ReplyDeleteFAMU's graduation rate is crappy. The reason being is that FAMU keeps accepting many students who have no business being in a 4 year college straight out of high school. It's not that FAMU cannot educate or that it is an "easy school", like FSU's reputation is; but it's just that FAMU pretty much accepted anybody with a high school diploma and pair of shoes. Hump did recruit the best, but filled in the ranks with a lot of unprepared. Gainous/Casthell have only done the latter. Those students should be automatically sent to the CCs immediately and they need to be sent there yesterday.
ReplyDeleteLastly, where in the blue hell is this "mission" I keep hearing about. I can't find it on the website. A "mission" to educate black folks is illegal; public univs cannot have a mandate of being exclusionary.
If it just so happens white folks are afraid to apply, then so be it. But there ain't no mission to educate negros like in the Jim Crow days. Let 5,000 white kids with 1400 SATs apply to FAMU for the next 6 years, and FAMU will be whiter than Ole Miss. Oh it's real
Come on people, what did ya'll think. She is coming from a community college. Small college, small thinking, small mind. Can someone please check her transcripts and make sure she is truly a FAMU grad.
ReplyDeleteWho or what is keeping them from applying??
ReplyDeleteNCCU hopes to polish Ammons' legacy
ReplyDeleteEven if the chancellor departs, school leaders see a bright future
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DURHAM - At the holiday party this year, N.C. Central University trustees lavished extra praise on James H. Ammons, hoping to persuade the chancellor to stick around.
For several weeks now, NCCU leaders have known Ammons is in the running to become the next president of Florida A&M University, his alma mater.
If Ammons gets the call in early March and decides to return to Florida, there is confidence at NCCU that the new foundations he has built on campus can survive.
"I would hope the boosters and the fans and the alumni would look at NCCU as the institution it is, with the hopes that if [Ammons] decided to leave, we would get another excellent leader," said Cressie Thigpen, chairman of the NCCU trustees. "We've got the infrastructure in place now to keep going."
During his five years at NCCU, Ammons has boosted enrollment by 50 percent, gone after higher caliber students and shined a brighter light on the university's ambitious biotechnology research efforts and athletics programs.
He also has faced challenges: mold in residence halls, a business school that lost its accreditation, a fight with the state over the quality of privately built student housing and a tough spring in which the Duke University lacrosse rape case brought unwelcome attention to his campus.
When Ammons arrived in Durham in 2001, he faced the same mandate as the leaders of six other campuses within the UNC system: Increase enrollment significantly. Aided by state funding for that purpose and buoyed by a construction program that was starting to transform the campus, Ammons began a targeted campaign to recruit more and better students.
NCCU's enrollment, which was relatively stagnant for the decade before his arrival, has grown to more than 8,600 students, a 50 percent increase since 2001.
The university's pool of National Merit Scholars has grown in that time as well, said Patsy Perry, a former NCCU provost and current secretary of the UNC system's Board of Governors.
"He has been a very energetic, productive chancellor," Perry said. "We've always attracted good students. It seems James Ammons was able to attract a few more in each class."
On Ammons' watch, NCCU outpaced the public university system's growth. This fall, NCCU's enrollment jumped 5.5 percent -- tops in a 16-campus system where the average enrollment increase was 3.1 percent.
That growth has been coupled with fundraising success, which is a vital piece of the recruitment process, said James Renick, who until this summer was chancellor at N.C. A&T University, another historically black UNC campus that increased enrollment significantly.
"There's just an intense competition for highly talented African-American students," said Renick, now senior vice president for programs and research at the American Council on Education in Washington, D.C.
Although Ammons has succeeded in attracting more top students, the average SAT score of each year's freshman class has not jumped noticeably. The average score in 2001 was 861 out of 1,600 -- one point higher than this fall's class.
Student contacts
Derek Pantiel, an NCCU senior and sole student member of the UNC system's governing board, said Ammons has reached out to students during his reign. Ammons conducts "fireside chats," dropping in on students in residence halls to see what is on their minds.
Those visits pay off, Pantiel said, citing one time when students griped to the chancellor about the faulty dormitory heating. It was fixed the next day.
"A lot of times, it would be things he hadn't heard of," Pantiel said. "A lot of times, there would be action immediately."
Pantiel also has been impressed with a customer-service initiative that Ammons started two years ago to combat complaints about the poor attitudes of some campus workers.
"That's something students had complained about in the past," Pantiel said. "In some offices, they get the cold shoulder or the runaround."
Initiatives such as that have taken root, Pantiel said, and would likely remain if Ammons left.
"The mark of a great leader is they create a foundation and institutionalize a process of growth that can carry on long after he's gone," said Raymond Pierce, dean of the NCCU law school since 2005. "Chancellor Ammons has done that."
Ammons, a big sports fan, also is leading NCCU into a more competitive and higher-profile athletics division. The school has begun its push for Division I status.
Bill Hayes, NCCU athletics director for four years, said the march forward should continue if Ammons leaves.
"Christianity didn't soar until after Christ died," Hayes said. "Chancellor Ammons provided us with a vision, and he gave us support in that vision. We have been shown the way. We are spreading the gospel of Eagle pride and Eagle athletics."
Ammons has said that it is too early to speculate about what he might do if offered the FAMU job.
The FAMU trustees are set to have a new president in place by March 8. Ammons, a former FAMU provost and a Florida native with family still there, is one of three finalists.
"We have told him that we would love for him to stay," said Thigpen, the NCCU trustees chairman. "He's a good leader."
This is a great discourse and I am proud to be apart of it. With that being said, here is my question. Some people on this board are arguing the fact that FAMU is seemingly not attempting to reach out to minority students (other ethnic groups) to be educated at our institution. Then they use FSU and UF as the bench mark for their reasoning. While their numbers are outstanding, 4-5 thousand AA's at FSU and UF, what they are not considering is that university boast to have about 33,000 students enrolled, if I am not mistaken, that’s means only about 6.6 percent of the student population is AA. The issue about the mission is correct, FAMU's mission de jure is not to educate African American citizens in the state of Florida, but Defacto it is. If it was not for FAMU then on average, at the big two publicly funding institutions in the state then only 12% of African Americans that are currently receiving higher education would receive it in the state of Florida.
ReplyDeletemy point is move beyond black and white. famu has sacrificied a quailty education for the numbers game. many of famu's incoming students have no business being in a 4 year institution. and if the current trend continues famu's education will be less of one than a community college. why is famu so obsessed with numbers, along with other institutions? the real tragedy is that the students who deserve and earned the right to a 4 year education are getting far less. community colleges are here for a purpose and there is nothing wrong with going to one, and there is nothing wrong with being a undergrad only university. the state of florida must think as a whole! recruiting the best of every color would be beneficial to famu and the entire community. just because famu may not offer masters and phd to students does not mean that other institutions cannot do the same. the reasoning that if famu does not no one will is baseless. famu should concentrate on the best quality undergrad education focusing all it's resources to help these students get ready and prepare them for the next level. quit boosting enrollment to fund graduate programs at the expense of undergrad. it would decrease the faculty student ratio and prohibit under qualified students from entering, allowing them to work through there academic difficulitiesl consequently they will be better prepared for their jr. and sr. years. this way should be discussed for the betterment of florida's students.
ReplyDeleteso if its totally a race less issue, then why not make the other eight school mentioned in the report undergraduate schools, and strengthen the infrastructure of FAMU so that she can became a strong research intensive institution. Other than being a place for students of color, FAMU is also a place in Florida for scholars of color.
ReplyDeleteIt always amazes me that white students are scared to apply to institutions that are predominately non-white, but all OTHER students of color are supposed to graciously apply to institutions that are predominately white and its supposed to be all good.
ReplyDeletehey 10:09 since when has famu gone out and tried to recruit the best and brightest of all color? again why is it a white thing? what about asians, and hispanics? it amazes me to even read these comments! famu does not want "white" students because it is black "thang". time to move beyond the black and white.
ReplyDelete7:03 the reason that famu will not become a major research institution is simple.....lack of governance, poorly managed, and mismanaged funds. you can blame famu administrator for that and it started with dr. hump and ammons don't kid yourself.
ReplyDeletethis board always speaks of recruiting the best black kids, not once has
ReplyDeleteanyone mentioned recruitment of the best students period. it is always a black thing.
appropriate at one time but not now. at the end of the day it comes down to money and
unfortunately the universities best positioned for research are UF, FSU, and USF. but
this is the financial reality that we deal with. There were 6 universities identified and
undergrad only and one of those was UCF. FAMU has been governed poorly and the constant
infighting has done much harm for the universities reputation. little will change until
the growing pains are complete. the fight now is over direction, castell and co. want one
way and ammons is the other. i think the later will do more harm than the former, but
that is my opinion and just that. back to the mismanagement of the university. do you
think the governor and the legislature are going to take taxpayer money to try and build
famu into a research giant? i think not. why? a law school that is in shambles proved
to lawmakers to think twice about investing in famu's research aspiration.
famu does not want "white" students because it is black "thang". time to move beyond the black and white.
ReplyDeleteFAMU must not out diversify itself. The state is not going to pay FAMU to do the same thing as FSU. The state is not going to finance two public universities in the same town to carry majority white undergraduate programs.
Your point is very disingenous because you don't express any problem with Florida International University having majority Latin American students. You're not calling for them to be majority white. So why are you calling for FAMU to be majority white?
Don't let this guy's nonsense sway you.
wow im a student reading these post and its making me feel bad about being here..dang
ReplyDeletethis board always speaks of recruiting the best black kids, not once has anyone mentioned recruitment of the best students period. it is always a black thing.
ReplyDeleteFAMU has a special mission to education African Americans. All are encouraged to apply. However, there is nothing wrong with specializing in certain racial demographic. No one has any problem with FIU carrying a special mission to education Latin Americans. Case closed.
the growing pains are complete. the fight now is over direction, castell and co. want one way and ammons is the other. i think the later will do more harm than the former, but that is my opinion and just that. back to the mismanagement of the university.
You are delusional! Castell has rolled back years of financial progress at FAMU.
-She caused FAMU to lose millions in tutition and state funding by shutting down the recruitment program (causing the enrollment drop).
-She caused FAMU to lose millions in research dollars by gutting the research division.
-She caused FAMU to lose millions in corporate gifts by completing neglecting the fundraising operation.
These terrible financial decisions played a key role in racking up the $10M end year deficit at FAMU. There is no surplus and never was a surplus.
Fred Humphries and James Ammons were not perfect. But they knew how to make money at FAMU. Enrollment, research, and fundraising went up each year.
Moreover, FAMU did not sacrifice "a quailty education for the numbers game." That is a lie. Many FAMU students have a hard time graduating on time because they come from low income families and have a hard time paying rising tuition costs. Humphries and Ammons understood that the answer is to raise more scholarship money. As scholarship money went up, FAMU's graduation and retention rate went up. Those rates will continue to go up as Ammons leds the way to get more scholarship money to keep our students in school.
You are completely misinformed and miseducated. You will never discourage the real Rattlers who understand what is going on and are willing to fight for their university. Your type of backwards thinking will not prevail.
Under Humphries, FAMU did not just accept any application. The institution went out and recruited the best and brightest high school achievers. Being in such talented students raised FAMU's SAT/ACT scores, overall GPA, and graduation rate.
ReplyDeleteIncreasing quality and quantity are not mutually exclusive. If Bryant were serious about increasing quality, then she would be out recruiting National Achievement Scholars and Bright Futures Scholars like Humphries did.
Bryant shut down the recruitment program and replaced it with nothing. Now, we're not only losing high achievers, but we're losing students on all parts of the academic success scale.
Bryant has tried to correct the damage she inflicted on FAMU enrollment by trying to lure back students that FAMU previously rejected. Under Bryant, FAMU is now seeking students who would not have even been able to make it in during the Humphries administration.
Bryant is lowering both quality and quantity at FAMU.
Choosing the most qualified canadiate is indeed the best policy. I do believe that based on what we have seen and reviewed there is a clear and capable canadite. What is an awful message is if the BOT does not choose and they continue with what they have. Now would't you consider that negligence and what would the Alumni and others be willing to do about it. Do you believe that University's BOT want the public to see that they are inept to make such an important decision. Now that would be a sad day for ALL. Major supporters will surely decide we don't have it. My prayers, moma them and pookie them are needed.
ReplyDeletewell im a student a famu and i have noticed alot more white and hispanic students this year then last year they are all over the place this year, so i dont know how famu has a problem recruiting caucasins or hispanics some one please educate a rattler on this one
ReplyDeleteCastell Bryant has done an absolutely terrible job with student services at FAMU, especially in the financial aid office.
ReplyDeleteWhen Bryant came into office, she immediately fired financial aid director Bryan Terry (who was getting the office in order and implement more customer friendly business practices). She then hired her grossly incompetent Miami-Dade friend Ken Tague.
Tague turned back the clock on all the reforms Terry had made. Internal communication came to a halt, lines went outside Foote-Hilyer and towards Lee Hall, and information processing became hopelessly log-jammed.
Bryant used to march down to the office and publicly curse out Tague. Eventually, Bryant fired Tague and let financial aid languish on without a director.
Then, Joe Harrell, Bryant's replacement for Tague, resigned from the university. FAMU had to hire its FOURTH new financial aid director since Bryant has been in office.
Bryant has consistently failed to hire competent individuals. Financial aid isn't customer friendly because Bryant has refused to replace the people she fired with customer-friendly employees. She is wrecking havoc on this institution by making instability the norm.
Those of us who truly care about FAMU will not sit by idlely while this interim president lies to us about FAMU's finances, destroys the recruitment program, decimates the research division, botches the SACS reaffirmation process, spurns shared governance, and denies employees basic due process and human dignity.
Instead of attacking the messengers, you Bryant lackies should become involved in the efforts to hold FAMU's interim administration accountable for its actions.
case closed. don't think so, go to the bog website and look at the racial mix of fiu. please check out the site. famu is 94 percent black! no diversity whatsoever. you will be suprised how diverse fiu is. if you want to live in the black and white world that is fine. if you also believe that the reason students are not graduating is money alone then please explain why the majority of rattlers cannot pass their sophmore year? your arguments have some big holes. i am questioning famu's mission especially now. you can be black, brown, yellow, white, red and get a good education anywhere. jim crow ended a long time ago, there is plenty of ignorance out there, but our public institutions are supposed to be racially mixed and it seems that all our institutions, except famu and putting resources behind their resolve. where is famu still stuck in the black "thang", the university is behind the times, it is not educating it's students properly, and it's focus is on an unattainable goal. it needs a huge change in course, trimming admissions would be a start, taking all resoruces and giving the undergrad a truly worthy education. i am tired of the money excuse. i worked through out college and had financial aid. it can be done. this board is full of excuses and nostalagia for an illusion that is dr. hump. he was part of the problem. sure enrollment went up and so did research but at what expense? the sacrifice of the undergrad education! famu is behind the times and it painfully shows. your leaders have been stealing from the university for years and it is finally caught up and everyones favorite boogey woman is castell. another sign of short sighted narrow mindness. dr. hump dr. hump!
ReplyDeleteNot your Father's Zing
ReplyDeleteUnlike the provost, the next president at FAMU should not even consider a plan that makes FAMU a bachelor's-degree-only institution.
"Those of us who truly care about FAMU will not sit by idlely while this interim president lies to us about FAMU's finances..."
ReplyDeleteBullshit. We have been sitting here while Bryant has been doing this shit for 3 years.
FAMU is in a bad place with this new initiative. I'm looking at the facts, and exactly what argument can FAMU lovers bring to the table to keep FAM from becoming a Bachelor's only school?
The Law School alone will convince many tax payers. The Graduation Rate will be a killer.
look at the racial mix of fiu. please check out the site. famu is 94 percent black! no diversity whatsoever.
ReplyDeleteYou stated that FAMU being a majority black institution made it backward. Yet, you say nothing about FIU being majority Latin. You don't have a problem with Latin Americans being a majority at FIU (even though they're a national minority). But, you have a problem with FAMU being majority black because blacks are a national minority group.
where is famu still stuck in the black "thang", the university is behind the times
There is no problem with FAMU being majority black. FIU and Miami (which is funded just like a private institution) are both majority Latin American and you have no complaints. You act lilke you want a white quota at FAMU. Why aren't you asking for quotas at FIU and Miami?
if you also believe that the reason students are not graduating is money alone then please explain why the majority of rattlers cannot pass their sophmore year?
You're not making any sense. The problem is not that they don't pass their sophomore year. The problem is that they are not progressing quickly enough. When tuition goes up, students take less credit hours in order to compensate. That's why 50% of FAMU students take 6 years to graduate.
With more scholarship money, these students will be able to get through college quicker. At the national level Pell Grants and Stafford Loans need to be enhanced. FAMU needs to return to raising huge amounts of scholarship money from corporate America like it did during the Humphries era.
sure enrollment went up and so did research but at what expense? the sacrifice of the undergrad education!
That simply isn't true. The increases in enrollment and research brought in more money that was used to enhance the undergraduate program. They also created more scholarship money to help students get through college.
You insist on promoting the racist stereotype that most black people cannot get through college because they are inferior. That simply isn't true. FAMU is a shining example of how students from low income families and poor performing high schools can excell if they are giving a chance.
...go to the bog website and look at the racial mix of fiu...
ReplyDeleteThat's a ruse. The reference to the minority makeup of FIU refers to Cuban/Hispanic students WHICH are of European (white Spanish) descent. This is the deception that the powers are using to make their claim. And you're swallowing it hook, line, and sinker.
I said from the start that this "administration" is the Trojan Horse Administration.
ReplyDeleteIf your were really in the academy or just estute, you'd know that FAMU is actually the most diverse campus in the state, regardless of RACE!
ReplyDelete3:40 pm what planet are you from. famu is the least diverse. look at the numbers. promoting racist stereotypes, what is racist about saying an education can be earned by working and geting aid through college. the logic on this board is backwards. before you all make comments on racial diversity look at the stats on the board of governors website. fiu has a significant non hispanic population! numbers don't lie! but hey people here would rather defend a decaying institution by calling people names, than taking a look at what truly ails it! famu should represent all, we got rid of jim crow along time ago!
ReplyDelete8:10 am
ReplyDeleteSince you think that you are a credible source of information, why are you anonymous? Your perspective is definitely not a legitimate one and you really should consider not logging in on this site if you don't thave the best interest for FAMU in mind.
8:10 u prove my point attack and dismiss!
ReplyDeleteA "mission" to educate black folks is illegal;
ReplyDeleteSeems like that has alwasy been apart of the thought processes of white americans and unfortunately they have incorporated a few house negros to help them facilitate this mission.
A "mission" to educate black folks is illegal
ReplyDeleteA mission to meet the needs of a marginalized group that is being left behind by most American universities is not illegal.
FAMU is open to everyone and does not discriminate in its admissions process. You have no evidence that FAMU has ever turned away any white student on the basis of race.
FAMU recruits black students, an underserved minority. It is no different from FIU's efforts to recruit Latin Americans, another underserved minority. Both remain open to anyone and everyone who wishes to apply. You have no evidence that the admissions processes at either institution illegally discriminate.
It's amazing how individuals try to turn the language of racial equality and access to education AGAINST historically black colleges.
fiu has a significant non hispanic population! numbers don't lie!
ReplyDeleteYou have no numbers to prove your case! You just continue to make assertions without any evidence. Again, an earlier poster pointed out the fallacy in your attempts to show "minority" enrollment at FIU. Cuban/Hispanic students are counted as Europeans (white Spanish) descent. These are still Latin Americans.
Further, you have attempted to make this a quota issue. If you truly believe in not making exceptions for any race, then why should FAMU have a quota of white students that it needs to meet?
FIU is overwhelmingly Latin American just as FAMU is overwhelmingly black. There is nothing wrong with that fact. Both institutions are open to everyone applies. They simply recruit one racial/cultural demographic heavily.
again black that disagree with other blacks are called uncle tom's how childish. it reminds me of the black georgia congresswoman. what an embarrassment to her constiuents
ReplyDelete6:28 please look at the site.
ReplyDeleterace/ethnicity Fall 2005
http://www.flbog.org/factbook/quickfacts.asp#ethnicity
Also, check out the most recent race break down for each university. go to www.flbog.org, scroll down and click on first day of class enrollments.
The break down of race goes beyond white and black....which famu should do as well.
but hey it sure is fun being a victim...ha ha ha
famu is all about the black "thang"
ReplyDeletefamu does not recruit white students. so child please don't you say dat to me! this board is full of comments about we need to recruit the brightest and the best blacks. what about whites, hispanics, asians, and indians?
but you want to have your racial cake and eat it too. don't dare discriminate, but hey don't make famu anything but black! that's racialist! ha ha ha
check out the links for the evidence anonymous 6:28. in fact everyone check out the link. i will let the facts speak for themselves. very interested in how the board will try to spin it!
ReplyDeletei am waiting for the victim excuse to justify racial exclusiveness.
Can we get these two backstabbers out of FAMU asap. It seems to me that they have been her just to destroy the university. If we continue to let this people destroy what many people have fought so hard for what will we ever have? Mrs. Austin being from Tallahassee should know how difficult it is for African Americans.
ReplyDelete1:04 pm.....it is also difficult for other people that are not black. being black is used as an excuse that is wearing thin very fast!
ReplyDeleteNo one is using "black" as an excuse. Your arguments are poorly constructed and are factually inaccurate. Whenever you are proven wrong, you simply remain in a state of denial.
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